Id. Finnish equipment

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Milgeek » 12 Jul 2014 10:41

Finnish Self-Propelled Artillery?

Hello chaps - can anyone help me identify the field gun which is being used in the following photos please?

I know the trucks are Citroen C45s - part of the batch provided by the Germans in lieu of the Ford V3000 shipment intended for Finland that they pinched! :D

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SA KUVA: Photo No. 28989

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SA KUVA: Photo No. 39873

Any help greatly appreciated.

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by peeved » 12 Jul 2014 11:20

Hi Steve,

IMO N:o 39873 is a 105 H/41.

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by JTV » 12 Jul 2014 18:26

peeved wrote:IMO N:o 39873 is a 105 H/41.
+1, that is obviously 105 H/41.

But number 28989 IMO is likely impossible to identify for sure beyond noting that it seems to be a heavy field gun. Gun barrel and gun shield profile suggest that it might be 105 K/13, 105 K/29, 107 K/10 or 107 K/13.

As for self-propelled artillery - these would have been self-propelled for the first shot only. :lol:

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 12 Jul 2014 20:34

JTV wrote:But number 28989 IMO is likely impossible to identify for sure beyond noting that it seems to be a heavy field gun. Gun barrel and gun shield profile suggest that it might be 105 K/13, 105 K/29, 107 K/10 or 107 K/13.
Might be a 105 K 29 of Heavy Battery 17.

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 29 Jul 2014 23:44

Juha wrote
It seems to be a P-12-25 / VRLHI "Ilmasuojeluvastaanotin" ( Air Raid Protection Receiver)
Thank you very much for your help, Juha.

Any idea about the model of this AA fire director ?? :?

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Juha Tompuri » 30 Jul 2014 08:48

Seems to be a m/37 Skoda T 7 n (Tn 7?) predictor at a 75mm Skoda Battery at Kouvola.
As the following photo( # 24862) also hints towards:
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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 31 Jul 2014 09:49

Thank you for your answer, Juha.

I've never seen any image of a Skoda T7n predictor, so it is difficult to ensure. However, the PUAZO 3 soviet predictor, which was a close copy of Czech Skoda T7n, seems a bit different... :?

On the other hand, can somebody identify these horse drawn wagons? Artillery limbers, ??? :?

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 14 Aug 2014 09:15

Nobody for my last image ?? :(

Well, here another two images from SA-Kuva archive (35822-35552)

Image 1: I think a balloon theodolite of a meteorological unit
Image 2: I think an artillery theodolite.

Are these devices of Finnish manufacture or purchased abroad?

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 16 Aug 2014 21:09

Sturm78 wrote:Well, here another two images from SA-Kuva archive (35822-35552)

Image 1: I think a balloon theodolite of a meteorological unit
Yep.
There was/is a Finnish manufacturer of meteorological instruments, Vaisala http://www.vaisala.com/en/Pages/default.aspx , but this one seems to be a German origin, Askania:
Image SA-photo 113008


Sturm78 wrote:Image 2: I think an artillery theodolite.
That seems to be a field artillery panoramic telescope.
Soviet origin ?

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 16 Aug 2014 21:11

Sturm78 wrote:On the other hand, can somebody identify these horse drawn wagons? Artillery limbers, ??? :?
Seems to be so.
Judging by the number of horses, heavy artillery ?

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 17 Aug 2014 16:21

Thank you very much for your answers, Juha. :)
Juha wrote
That seems to be a field artillery panoramic telescope.
Soviet origin ?
Not is the same a field artillery panoramic telescope than a artillery theodolite ??? :?

Here, another two images of optical devices:

Image 1: I think another model of artillery theodolite ( or field artillery panoramic telescope ) ??
Image 2: It seems another model of balloon theodolite of a meteorological unit. Perhaps of the Finnish Vaisala manufacturer ???

Images from SA-Kuv archive ( 37890-39348)
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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Juha Tompuri » 20 Aug 2014 20:52

Sturm78 wrote:Thank you very much for your answers, Juha. :)
Juha wrote
That seems to be a field artillery panoramic telescope.
Soviet origin ?
Not is the same a field artillery panoramic telescope than a artillery theodolite ??? :?
An artillety sight:
Image http://www.mosinnagant.net/FinnishOpticsSale.htm
Sturm78 wrote:Here, another two images of optical devices:

Image 1: I think another model of artillery theodolite ( or field artillery panoramic telescope ) ??
A forward observer used "suuntakehä" (Used for angular measurements and accurate direction finding. These were used by Finnish mortar crews as well as artillery crews – including observers to define firing directions of the various battery positions. )
Image http://www.mosinnagant.net/FinnishOpticsSale.htm
Sturm78 wrote:Image 2: It seems another model of balloon theodolite of a meteorological unit. Perhaps of the Finnish Vaisala manufacturer ???
Yep, seems to be a theodolite of a meteorological unit.
Not sure about the manufacturer

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Seppo Koivisto » 20 Aug 2014 21:42

Vaisala_theodolite.jpg
http://www.vaisala.com/historybook/ page 57
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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by Sturm78 » 21 Aug 2014 08:14

Thank you very mcuh for your help, Juha.

About the last image posted by Seppo Koivisto, this device seems the same that the first image posted by me on 14 Aug 2014.

Juha identified this meteo theodolithe as an Askania model but Seppo as a Vaisala model ???? :?

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Re: Id. Finnish equipment

Post by veeteetee » 21 Aug 2014 18:14

Picture SA 35552 in the mail on August 14 shows Finnish "kiertokaukoputki" = German "Rundblickfernrohr" = English "panoramic telescope", which is mounted on the artillery gun´s sight unit unit and used (mainly) for indirect firing i.e. fixing the gun traverse. Several makes and versions with minor differences in their construction were used by the Finnish Army. Juha´s mail of yesterday shows one of these.

Picture SA 37890 in the mail on August 17 shows Finnish "asemasuuntakehä" = German "Richtkreis" = English "aiming circle", which is used for determining firing positions and directions. The particular model shown is Tampella-designed "asemasuuntakehä 34 malli I", which was also manufactured by Valtion Tykkitehdas.

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