Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

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Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

Post by Claes Johansen » 24 Nov 2017 17:10

I found this interesting piece of information on another thread, written by a new member here calling himself Lawrance Robinson. Unfortunately, no source for the story is given. This is about the Soviet air bombardments of Helsinki in 1944:
Finnish bombers would follow Soviet Bomber formations back to their base and as the planes were landing, they would continue flying and bomb[ing] the field, causing massive amounts of damage. The Soviets were forced to pull their bases further and further back until they soon were out of range of any of the big cities of Finland.
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What surprises me is that the Finnish air force at the time should have had the capacity to carry out such raids. There even seems to have been a whole lot of them since "the Soviets were forced to pull their bases further and further back". Hence, I would like to ask if someone on this forum, including of course Mr Robinson himself, would care to shine some more light on this story and perhaps give us a few more details.

Don't forget to reference your sources, please.
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Re: Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

Post by Juha Tompuri » 24 Nov 2017 20:31

Something for a starter:
viewtopic.php?f=59&t=174684&hilit


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Re: Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

Post by Laurance.Robinson » 25 Nov 2017 07:30

Claes Johansen wrote:I found this interesting piece of information on another thread, written by a new member here calling himself Lawrance Robinson. Unfortunately, no source for the story is given. This is about the Soviet air bombardments of Helsinki in 1944:
Finnish bombers would follow Soviet Bomber formations back to their base and as the planes were landing, they would continue flying and bomb[ing] the field, causing massive amounts of damage. The Soviets were forced to pull their bases further and further back until they soon were out of range of any of the big cities of Finland.
(viewtopic.php?f=59&t=130079&start=120)

What surprises me is that the Finnish air force at the time should have had the capacity to carry out such raids. There even seems to have been a whole lot of them since "the Soviets were forced to pull their bases further and further back". Hence, I would like to ask if someone on this forum, including of course Mr Robinson himself, would care to shine some more light on this story and perhaps give us a few more details.

Don't forget to reference your sources, please.
No source was given because you never asked because you decided to get all childish and offended and shut down any further interaction.

So because of this, I reject your call to shine any further light on the story. Others can do it because as you have displayed nothing but a Prima Donna like personality and a holier than thou opinion in regards to Finnish history, I cannot in good faith discuss any aspect with you until you have recognised your outrageous actions.

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Re: Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

Post by Claes Johansen » 25 Nov 2017 12:26

Thanks for the link. Nice to meet some people there who know what they're talking about.

Judging from the sources I find very little basis for the following conclusions by Mr Robinson:
causing massive amounts of damage. The Soviets were forced to pull their bases further and further back until they soon were out of range of any of the big cities of Finland.
I may have overlooked something, though, so comments are welcome.

Mr Robinson also wrote:
I reject your call to shine any further light on the story. Others can do it
May I suggest that the moderator contact this new member and inform him of how things are supposed to be done on this forum because he seems to be under the illusion that it is his own choice to decide whether or not he must provide sources for the historical events he presents to other members here as indisputable facts.
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Re: Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

Post by Laurance.Robinson » 25 Nov 2017 14:33

Claes Johansen wrote:
Mr Robinson also wrote:
I reject your call to shine any further light on the story. Others can do it
May I suggest that the moderator contact this new member and inform him of how things are supposed to be done on this forum because he seems to be under the illusion that it is his own choice to decide whether or not he must provide sources for the historical events he presents to other members here as indisputable facts.

While the mod is at it, maybe they can also message this spiteful, entitled member who feels that only his words matter and that anything that goes against him is incorrect, is essentially nothing but a poor sport because he was called out.

Once you grow up and make amends for your ridiculous actions not only towards myself but other members here, then we can discuss sources and the like. But like you, who shut down any discourse over your book, I also reserve the same right to shut down discourse. Maybe this will teach you a lesson, you can get more bees with honey than vinegar.

Also just because you fail to come to the conclusion, doesn't negate mine. Indeed I an also certain your character is of such that you would say the sky is green just to not agree.

You started this, any mod can see this, so you have received opportunity to finish it.

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Re: Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

Post by Claes Johansen » 25 Nov 2017 14:56

@Lawrance Robinson

You have been reported to the forum staff for gross violation of forum rules.
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Re: Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

Post by Laurance.Robinson » 25 Nov 2017 15:02

Claes Johansen wrote:@Lawrance Robinson

You have been reported to the forum staff for gross violation of forum rules.
I have already reported yourself for the same gross violation of forum rules.

This is now the third misspellings of my name. At least I respectfully use your correct name Claes.

Your actions here, on this forum, call a lot into question about your character. It is a shame, because as I mentioned your book wasn't poor or bad. I think it is quite pathetic you are so thin skinned about any criticism of your book.

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Re: Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

Post by Claes Johansen » 25 Nov 2017 15:20

@Laurance Robinson

Sorry about the misspelling of your name. No insult was certainly meant, I just need new glasses - "u" tends to look like a "w".

Now, could we PLEASE try to get back on track and cut out the pathetic attempts to divert the discussion though primitive personal attacks and amateur psychological conclusions, not to mention "advice on how to behave as a writer"?

The fact is that you have referred to some pretty remarkable historical events as though they are indisputable facts, and I would just like to know some more about them as well a verify their validity. It is your duty as a forum member to provide sources for the material you present, and if you repeatedly refuse to abide by that rule you will simply be excluded from the forum.

Now deliver the goods, please.
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Re: Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

Post by David Thompson » 25 Nov 2017 19:54

Gentlemen -- Drop the personal remarks; our rules forbid them.

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Re: Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

Post by Esa K » 28 Nov 2017 01:31

The one truly looking for references about topic, heres a good start: Keskinen, Kalevi; Stenman, Kari: Suomen ilmavoimien historia. 19, LeR 4 : lentolaivue 42, lentolaivue 44, lentolaivue 46, lentolaivue 48. Espoo 2002. Pages 81-87.

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Re: Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

Post by Lotvonen » 02 Dec 2017 14:56

Esa K wrote:The one truly looking for references about topic, heres a good start: Keskinen, Kalevi; Stenman, Kari: Suomen ilmavoimien historia. 19, LeR 4 : lentolaivue 42, lentolaivue 44, lentolaivue 46, lentolaivue 48. Espoo 2002. Pages 81-87.
In case someone should not find the said opus in their local public library, or should be linguistically challenged, here is an account at the air raids against Soviet airfields on the night of 9/10 March 1944:

Air bases at Leningrad

'In February (1944) ADD, the Soviet long range bomber force, carried out three large raids at Helsinki in the nights of 5/6, 15/16, 25/26. The bombers were operating from the bases around Leningrad, where the Finnish aerial recce had spotted dozens of a/c in each. The airstrips were totally illuminated during take-off and landing operations which made a good bombing target. N On 26. February the FAF CO initially ordered PLeLv 42 and 46 to raid these enemy air bases when there was an opportunity. To distract the enemy they were to join the enemy formations returning from a raid to Helsinki.

PleLv46 was the first one to try the new tactics. On 29 Feb in the evening four a/c took off (DN-51, -57, -52, -59) took off with intervals. Over the gulf of Finland the DN s infiltrated in the returning formations of Soviet bombers and followed them to Levashovo. At 22.25-23.10hrs the fully lit airfield where several a/c were landing, was bombed. The bomb series hit rows of a/c and hangars. Several fires were started and there was a large explosion. AA fire was opened not until the (Finnish) a/c were leaving.

On 2. March (1944) attack against Leningrad a/b s was ordered for all squadrons. On 9.March there was another opportunity. ADD d/c were returning from a raid to Tallinn as Finnish a/c joined the enemy formations.

PLeLv42 was tailing the Russians N of Seiskari with five a/C (BL-167, 169, 151, 168, 187) to Gorskaya. Report: “ Bombed Gorskaya with four a/c from 1200m altitude at 21.30-21.32hrs. Bombs included 23x50kg, 16x15kg incendiary and 92x2kg incendiary. Hits in the a/c dugouts and rows of a/c on the S and SW perimeter of the base. BL-187 raided Levashovo at 21.34hrs. Bombs 8x50kg, 4x15kg incendiary and 24x2kg incendiary. Hits in a row of a/c on the W perimeter of the base. Two a/c were burning on the airstrip, a huge explosion in the N perimeter, thick smoke and fire that was visible up to 70km. The raid was a total surprise.”

PLeLv 44 joined an enemy formation W of Kronstadt with five a/c led by Capt. Itävuori (JK-255, 252, 262, 267, 270) and ended up above a/b Kasimovo. “Bombed Kasimovo from 1600m altitude at 21.30-21.35hrs. Bombs 16x250kg and 47x50kg. Hits on the runways and rows of a/c. One large explosion and two fires were observed immediately. When leaving the target one strong explosion and several fires were observed. One a/c bombed Gorskaya at 21.35hrs but due to strong AA fire could no)t confirm hits. Two large and six smaller fires in the a/b. The raid was a total surprise.”

PLeLv46 joined an enemy formation also W of Kronstadt led by Capt. Pesola with five a/c (DN-59, 52, 58, 57, 51), bearing to Levashovo. “ At 21.34hrs Levashovo was bombed with four a/c. Bombs 80x50kg, altitude 1400m. Hits on the runway and in the immediate vicinity of rows of a/c. DN-57 missed the target because the bombs had to be released with the backup system. DN-59 bombed Kasimovo (20x50kg) where two fires were generated, one of which resulted in a strong explosion. AA fire was heavy during the overflight”.

PLeLv 48 followed the Russians from Kronstadt with four a/c led by Capt. Hakala (BL-186, 190, 165, 183) to Levashovo. “At 21.37hrs one a/c bombed Levashovo. Three a/c bombed at 21.40-21.45hrs Gorskaya, being the only illuminated a/b. Bombs 28x100kg and 16x15kg incendiary. Hits on the N perimeter of the a/b where five a/c were burning, on the SE perimeter two a/c were burning and a storage blew up”.

The next day a PLeLv48 a/c photographed the a/bs. It was PE-211, flown by Staff Sgt. Juhola, observer Lt Koskinen and gunner Sr. Sgt. Laine. Mission report states:
“Photographed at 11.35-11.40hrs a/b Kasimovo, Levashovo, Shuvalovo, Gorskaya, altitude 6500 to 6000m. Visual recce observations: Kasimovo a/b, several bomb holes on the SW perimeter; Levashovo a/b bomb holes on the N perimeter, in the terrain E of the runways the holes of a long series of bombs. At 11.45hrs when returning in 4000m altitude spotted tracers flying below an escorting MT. At the same moment I spotted two Yak-9s behind the MT about 800m to the sun. At the same time several puffs of smoke appeared between us and the MT, resembling 40mm AA shell puffs. The MT turned at the enemy fighters whereby they disengaged by diving below us.”

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Re: Finnish bombing raids on Soviet Airfields in 1944

Post by Juha Tompuri » 29 Dec 2017 21:59

Finnish bombing of Kähy airfield 4th April 1944,based on information from Soviet Redut-7 radar:
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http://mitra-books.com/history/pylayush ... kitin.html and
http://malrod.ru/%D0%98%D1%81%D1%82%D0% ... 0(2011)/72
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