Russian TV series "War intelligence service: Northern Front"

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Re: Russian TV series "War intelligence service: Northern Front"

Post by adam7 » 06 Apr 2018 21:41

Art wrote:Again and again: entertainment is not "history" and never was. If you interested in Russian historiography you should look for something else than fictional stories in TV series.
Yes, but we know how the public that doesn't study real history perceives films/TV-series. A comparison to Inglourious Basterds isn't really valid, as almost everyone recognizes that film as being so over the top, that it has very little to do with history.

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Re: Russian TV series "War intelligence service: Northern Front"

Post by Art » 06 Apr 2018 21:48

Lotvonen wrote:The Moscow State University professor Elena Senjavskaja has emphasized a strong influence of 'retrospective propaganda' on the collective historical memory of the people .
That reminds me about Iran's reaction to Zack Snyders's "300":
http://content.time.com/time/world/arti ... 86,00.html
I can only advice not be so damn serious about that stuff.

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Re: Russian TV series "War intelligence service: Northern Front"

Post by Art » 06 Apr 2018 22:06

adam7 wrote: A comparison to Inglourious Basterds isn't really valid, as almost everyone recognizes that film as being so over the top, that it has very little to do with history.
So take "Gladiator", which is not over the top:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator ... thenticity
The point stands: proper historiography and history-based fiction are two different beasts. The purpose of the latter is to entertain the audience not to give historically accurate information. As for public taking it seriously that is more a curious thing than a real problem IMO.

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Re: Russian TV series "War intelligence service: Northern Front"

Post by Swing » 07 Apr 2018 07:00

Seppo Koivisto wrote: And why they wrote that. Because they know they are publishing disinformation.
P.S. Its fried in butter! :)
Unfortunately according to our Constitution freedom of speech is a fundamental right. :) Why Irincheev's "Jatkosota puna-armeijan silmin" (Red Army version of Continuation War) was published in Finland? "Atena" knew that they are publishing disinformation.
P.S. I know that olive oil was not popular in Finland before WW2. But deep frying is more suitable :D

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Re: Russian TV series "War intelligence service: Northern Front"

Post by Seppo Koivisto » 07 Apr 2018 08:45

I have Irincheev's book and you should read the last chapter "Fact or Fiction?" first.

I think butter is an important ingredient in the proverb: Everything gets better when you fry it in butter, except Russians.

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Re: Russian TV series "War intelligence service: Northern Front"

Post by Swing » 07 Apr 2018 12:04

Seppo Koivisto wrote:I have Irincheev's book and you should read the last chapter "Fact or Fiction?" first.
I have it too, moreover I know Bair personally. Thesis "Fact or Fiction?" is applicable to Leonid Maslovsky's article too. It (article) has nothing to do with history. Discussion about Maslovsky is the same foolish thing, as discussion about Johan Bäckman :)

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Re: Russian TV series "War intelligence service: Northern Front"

Post by Lotvonen » 08 Apr 2018 05:23

Prof . Vihavainen in op.cit.:, referring to history as entertainment:
"Even though these products of creative spirit do not directly affect the academic research and in that way the basics of national memory, they do have effect on the popular level by another route. Often academic research and school education leave open a very large free field in the memory of a nation. Very many questions remain open in the minds of citizens. If this void is filled by pulp literature (or TV, tr.rem.), often disguising itself with the false cloak of science, the result surely is undesirable from the point of view of both neighbouring nations."

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Re: Russian TV series "War intelligence service: Northern Front"

Post by Seppo Koivisto » 08 Apr 2018 17:19

It seems to be popular to translate Leonid Maslovsky's articles published on the website of the TV channel Tvzvezda. Here are two examples regarding Finland.
How the War With Finland Was the West's Way of Probing the USSR's Defences for Hitler's Future Invasion
http://www.stalkerzone.org/war-finland- ... -invasion/
The Concrete Teeth of Mannerheim: Why the Finnish War Was Inevitable
http://www.stalkerzone.org/concrete-tee ... nevitable/

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Re: Russian TV series "War intelligence service: Northern Front"

Post by Aleksander P » 09 Apr 2018 18:13

Seppo Koivisto wrote:It seems to be popular to translate Leonid Maslovsky's articles published on the website of the TV channel Tvzvezda. Here are two examples regarding Finland.
How the War With Finland Was the West's Way of Probing the USSR's Defences for Hitler's Future Invasion
http://www.stalkerzone.org/war-finland- ... -invasion/
The Concrete Teeth of Mannerheim: Why the Finnish War Was Inevitable
http://www.stalkerzone.org/concrete-tee ... nevitable/
The man is insane.

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