Rahmansaari Island battle

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Rahmansaari Island battle

Post by lupodimare89 » 11 Sep 2018 14:26

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In early September 1941, Rahmansaari Island in Ladoga Lake was defended by a company of 122 men (three machine-guns, three mortars and one 45-mm cannon). Commander was Lt. 3. N. Slobodov.

On 5 September 1941 begun amphibious landing with "9 boats" covered by "two gunboats" and two other boats with machineguns.
It is known the exact class/type and number of Finnish vessels employed?
According to Soviet acccount two of the boats used for the landing were destroyed during this first phase.

Soviet Ladoga Flottilla reacted with gunboat "Bira" sub.chaser MO-206 and five MK-boats, bringing reinforcement of 200 men.
(it was day 6 or 7 September?)
MO-206 claimed sinking of three finnish boats and "several" others carrying troops.


By 8 September, Soviet situation worseded and supplies could not be delivered due Finnish ground artillery.

On 9 September, "two gunboats" and another boat with machinegun dispatched by Finnish.
Soviet units involved the above mentioned "Bira" and MO-206 but also the gunboat "Konstructor". Soviet ships failed to approach the shore due intense shelling.

By Setpember 10 the battle was over. Soviets suffered 103 killed, 30 other bodies found in water, 130 POW.
What are Finnish figures? also what are Finnish casualties?

Source: http://www.semiotic.ru/la/islands/rahmansaari.html



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Jurg Meister wrote of three Finnish units lost in the operation.
Финны потеряли 3 катера: LU 3, HI 24 и HI 7, при этом погиб 1 человек и двое получили ранения.
Details of these boats, and when/how they were lost (during the early landing or by MO-206 action?) are welcome.

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Re: Rahmansaari Island battle

Post by Mikko H. » 11 Sep 2018 14:35

Hello, this link might be helpful:

http://uralica.com/rahmasaa.htm

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Re: Rahmansaari Island battle

Post by Mangrove » 12 Sep 2018 21:23

Battle of Rahmansaari - Combat Report by 11. Rannikkoprikaati
Battle of Rahmansaari - Combat Report by Laatokan laivasto-osasto
Experiences gained from the Battle Of Rahmansaari - Laatokan laivasto-osasto
lupodimare89 wrote:
11 Sep 2018 14:26
What are Finnish figures? also what are Finnish casualties?
FINNISH CLAIM OF SOVIET LOSSES:
1 pcs. of 45 mm anti-tank gun and 200 shells,
3 pcs. of 81 mm mortars and 30 grenades,

8 pcs. of machine guns,
20 pcs. of light-machine guns,
c. 40 pcs. of semi-automatic rifles,
c. 120 pcs. of rifles,
4 pcs. of sniper rifles,
20 pcs. of pistols,

100 pcs. of steel helmets,
100 pcs. of gas masks,
Numerous hand grenades,
2 pcs. of rubber boats,
5 pcs. of rowing boats and
Food etc.

103 KIA,
130 POW (including a Colonel, Captain and a Junior Lieutenant),
30 drowned,
20 escaped,
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Altogether 283

FINNISH LOSSES:
3 motor boats,
16 KIA,
39 WIA.
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Altogether 55
lupodimare89 wrote:
11 Sep 2018 14:26
Jurg Meister wrote of three Finnish units lost in the operation.
Финны потеряли 3 катера: LU 3, HI 24 и HI 7, при этом погиб 1 человек и двое получили ранения.
Details of these boats, and when/how they were lost (during the early landing or by MO-206 action?) are welcome.
LU 3 and HI 24 were lost at a beach on the western side of the island at around 3.40 a.m. on 7 September 1941. HI 7 was destroyed at a beach on the eastern side of the island at around 3.50 a.m on the same day. The combat report suggest all of the boats were lost due to small arms fire.

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Re: Rahmansaari Island battle

Post by Juha Tompuri » 15 Sep 2018 21:31

From http://sa-kuva.fi/

Image Col Karpin (Kargin?), the commander of Rahmansaari, at POW camp
SA-photo 46977

Image General Martin Wetzer shakes hands with Col Kurg (Kargin?)
SA-photo 46983

Image Soviet POWs from Rahmansaari
SA-photo 46979

Image Shore of Rahmansaari. A destroyed Finnish boat?
SA-photo 135216

Image Grave and Finnish erected cross at Rahmansaari...
SA-photo 138860

Image ...mentioned being the final restplace 110 Soviet soldiers
SA-photo 135203

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Re: Rahmansaari Island battle

Post by Juha Tompuri » 15 Sep 2018 21:47

Juha Tompuri wrote:
15 Sep 2018 21:31
A grave at Rahmansaari, mentioned of 110 Soviet soldiers
Today:
Image https://sites.google.com/site/rn4aczhom ... vgust-2013

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Re: Rahmansaari Island battle

Post by Juha Tompuri » 16 Sep 2018 10:02

Image http://iv70.narod.ru/IV/2/4Warx.html.htm

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Cenotaph of the Junior Commander Mikhail Nikolaevich Drozdov at St. Petersburg.
Drozdov being MIA at Rahmansaari.
judging from the reports on irretrievable losses, at that site, the Soviet defenders of Rahmansaari were not that young in general.
https://memgid.ru/object/3237

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Re: Rahmansaari Island battle

Post by Juha Tompuri » 17 Sep 2018 21:18

lupodimare89 wrote:
11 Sep 2018 14:26
By Setpember 10 the battle was over. Soviets suffered 103 killed, 30 other bodies found in water
Согласно спискам безвозвратных потерь в бою на Рахмансаари погибли 117 человек без привязки к ротам, 82 человека из 1-й роты вместе с командиром роты капитаном Я.Н.КУРБАТОВЫМ, 50 человек из 2-й роты, 24 человека из саперного взвода вместе со своим командиром военинженером 3-го ранга А.Я.ФИШБЕЙНОМ и 25 человек из пульроты. Всего – 298 офицеров и матросов.
google translation wrote:According to the lists of irretrievable losses in battle on Rakhmansaari, 117 people were killed without attachment to the companies, 82 people from the 1 st company along with the company commander, captain Ya. N. Kurbatov, 50 men from the 2nd company, 24 men from the engineer platoon along with their commander of the 3rd rank ranked AY FISHBEYNOM and 25 men from the barrot. A total of 298 officers and sailors.
https://vk.com/topic-13466415_21892688

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Re: Rahmansaari Island battle - reports

Post by Lotvonen » 27 Oct 2018 05:44

Post by Mangrove » 12 Sep 2018 22:23
Battle of Rahmansaari - Combat Report by 11. Rannikkoprikaati
Battle of Rahmansaari - Combat Report by Laatokan laivasto-osasto
Experiences gained from the Battle Of Rahmansaari - Laatokan laivasto-osasto
Is anyone interested in reading any of these reports in English ?

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Re: Rahmansaari Island battle

Post by lupodimare89 » 28 Apr 2019 08:58

Is anyone interested in reading any of these reports in English ?
I was mainly interested in the naval aspect of the battle (losses in crafts, boats, potential surface-encounter etc.). But I am sure there could be people interested eventually in reading it ^^

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