Proofs for Soviet point of view about shelling of Mainila.

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Proofs for Soviet point of view about shelling of Mainila.

Post by RedRight » 20 Nov 2018 16:36

I'm looking for as many as possible sources (Russian or not) confirming that the Finns shelled Mainila as was the official Soviet point of view.

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Re: Proofs for Soviet point of view about shelling of Mainila.

Post by Seppo Koivisto » 20 Nov 2018 23:17

The Russian TV channel Zvezda published this article last year:
https://translate.google.com/translate? ... 4-1vri.htm
In the prewar relations between the USSR and Germany, there is a clear desire to determine the strength of the parties. Such a test was the war with Finland. The Soviet Union, in order to ensure its security, asked Finland to move the border away from Leningrad into the depths of the Karelian Isthmus and offered in return twice the territory. Finland responded with military provocation with the clear support of Germany and the warmongers.

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Re: Proofs for Soviet point of view about shelling of Mainila.

Post by Aleksander P » 20 Nov 2018 23:38

There is no proof as it's simply not true.

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Re: Proofs for Soviet point of view about shelling of Mainila.

Post by Stiltzkin » 21 Nov 2018 04:06

In the prewar relations between the USSR and Germany, there is a clear desire to determine the strength of the parties. Such a test was the war with Finland. The Soviet Union, in order to ensure its security, asked Finland to move the border away from Leningrad into the depths of the Karelian Isthmus and offered in return twice the territory. Finland responded with military provocation with the clear support of Germany and the warmongers.
If this is from last year, then the system is still very intransparent. That is not much of a reappraisal. The USSR was one of the greatest war mongers in human history, I like the choice of words here. :thumbsup:

There is a summary presented in "The Russian record of the winter war, 1939-40: Analytical study of soviet records of the war with finland from 30. November 1939 to 12th March 1940".
https://drum.lib.umd.edu/handle/1903/19633

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Re: Proofs for Soviet point of view about shelling of Mainila.

Post by Art » 21 Nov 2018 07:12

RedRight wrote:
20 Nov 2018 16:36
I'm looking for as many as possible sources (Russian or not) confirming that the Finns shelled Mainila as was the official Soviet point of view.
If you take official statements in November 1939, there were no evidences presented just claims of something being a fact. (That being said, Finnish response was not much better when it comes to factual statements). The thing that looks like a coherent argument in post-war or even present-day discussions was a reference to similar (but less known) shootouts and accidents on the Soviet-Finnish border in 1939.

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Re: Proofs for Soviet point of view about shelling of Mainila.

Post by Juha Tompuri » 21 Nov 2018 22:18

Seppo Koivisto wrote:
20 Nov 2018 23:17
The Russian TV channel Zvezda published this article last year:
pretty sad thing

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