Bofors 40mm In Finland

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Re: Bofors 40mm In Finland

Post by John T » 28 May 2019 20:52

John T wrote:
19 May 2019 20:00


and at last The Hungarians, at Malmin 1941

Image
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Caption:
It-patteri. ??Tulta??
Helsinki, Malmi 1941.06.25

Here we got the original Bofors predictor, used on Swedish guns with production number less than 350
and the Hungarian guns used by Sweden and as the Finns Hungarian order was behind the Swedes with a few months I assume the
Hungarian guns in Finland had the same "m/ä" predictor and transmission system.

like this:
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caption:
Kuvan tykki on ruotsalainen Boforsin 40 mm:n ilmatorjuntakanuuna.

It would have been fun to zoom in to see the serial number , If it was between 201 and 208,
it would have been a Hungarian gun bought by Sweden in 1938.
Loaned to Finland for training purpose in Spring of 1939.
Transfer of ownership to Finland in September 1939 when Sweden swapped the first 8 guns from Finnish -Hungarian order
with the Swedish ones already in Finland.


Cheers
/John
I found out that I missed one thing - Hungarian guns on Finnish order had the "34/38M Johasz-Gamma Loelemkepzo" predictor.
But I can find a picture of one- if not the early Bofors predictor is the same thing.

Terry Ganders book contains a picture said to be the Johasz-Gamma Loelemkepzo but It looks like the Bofors predictor to me.
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Re: Bofors 40mm In Finland

Post by John T » 28 May 2019 21:08

JTV wrote:
21 May 2019 18:01
Some more bits from the the same archive folder as the previous one:

Another list from the same bundle as the previous one. It is undated as well, but data suggests that it likely from slightly later date than the previous one - could be April of 1940 or so. The guns listed on that one:
- 40 ItK/38 B.....light mobile anti-aircraft gun m/36 Bofors....
- 40 ItK/38 B.....light mobile anti-aircraft gun m/38 Bofors.... combined total for all three guns 120 changed to by hand to 128. Marked "8 of these to Swedish volunteers".
- 40 ItK/39 B.....light mobile anti-aircraft gun m/39 Bofors....

- 40 ItK/39 BK....light fixed anti-aircraft gun m/39 Bofors....total number: 4....with Navy

Another earlier master inventory list, which is dated 6th of January 1940. It apparently lists all versions as "40 I/38" and as "40 mm anti-aircraft gun Bofors) with 92 + 2? marked as total number. Although I am not sure if this list contains also Navy guns.

Jarkko
Great,
The different dates are interesting.
Between 10 and 17 April 24 75K02 were returned to Sweden so it might help to date the document.


In Swedish parlance "m/36" is a Swedish made gun. "m/38" Hungarian and "m/39" Austrian.
One thing I found out is that Sweden had no mobile m/36 in December 1939.
They where all for static use, moved by a special trailer that hoisted up the gun and then rolled away and put it down on a new emplacement.


Does the list mean that " 40 ItK/39 BK....light fixed anti-aircraft gun m/39 Bofors....total number: 4....with Navy"
Is one of the Austrian guns that later was aboard Aunus (pics earlier in thread).

CHeers
/John

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Re: Bofors 40mm In Pargas

Post by John T » 28 May 2019 21:14

Two Swedish officers where stationed in Pargas
training the finnish speaking crew.

How much is known know about those guns ?
Picture from
Svenska marinens frivilliga i Finland:
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Re: Bofors 40mm In Finland

Post by JTV » 02 Jun 2019 19:17

John T wrote:
28 May 2019 21:08

Great,
The different dates are interesting.
Between 10 and 17 April 24 75K02 were returned to Sweden so it might help to date the document.
The page with 75 K/02 have 36 marked as total number and red hand written marking 12 later added next to it.

In Swedish parlance "m/36" is a Swedish made gun. "m/38" Hungarian and "m/39" Austrian.
One thing I found out is that Sweden had no mobile m/36 in December 1939.
They where all for static use, moved by a special trailer that hoisted up the gun and then rolled away and put it down on a new emplacement.
Does the list mean that " 40 ItK/39 BK....light fixed anti-aircraft gun m/39 Bofors....total number: 4....with Navy"
Is one of the Austrian guns that later was aboard Aunus (pics earlier in thread).
That is difficult or impossible to say for sure. The later (Continuation War era) Finnish inventory system is listed on my website:
https://www.jaegerplatoon.net/AA_GUNS2.htm

As you can see it used 40 ItK/39 B for Bofors-made guns originally intended for United Kingdom, but delivered to Finland. However I don't know if the naming system was already the same during Winter War or changed later.

Jarkko

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