Finnish air support at Sukho (Suho)

Discussions on the Winter War and Continuation War, the wars between Finland and the USSR.
Hosted by Juha Tompuri
Mangrove
Member
Posts: 1920
Joined: 25 Dec 2004 01:33

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by Mangrove » 31 Aug 2012 16:30

The exact location of the IL-2's crash site is mentioned on the report to be the terrain around border pole 217. This corresponds to circa 60° 25' 30.558" N, 30° 27' 0.011" E. Although the pilot did not sustain major injuries, the crash was violent enough to cause the engine to depart from the fuselage. Finnish search teams did not usually thoroughly empty the crash sites, so there might be still something left of the IL-2.

Art
Forum Staff
Posts: 6252
Joined: 04 Jun 2004 19:49
Location: Moscow, Russia

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by Art » 01 Sep 2012 20:33

Juha Tompuri wrote: Морская торпедоносная авиация by Мирослав Морозов is a book?
Yes, the text online is one of the chapters
Do you know did the DB-3 (Il-4?) in question ever fly again?
No idea about it.

Mangrove
Member
Posts: 1920
Joined: 25 Dec 2004 01:33

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by Mangrove » 05 Sep 2012 14:39

I was not able to locate the extraction report for the IL-2; there might not be one although KLe.V 1's diary does mention that the plane was transferred to Immola after extraction. A IL-2, possibly the same plane, was received by Lentovarikko on 3 December 1942. They do not list the plane's serial number but the engine's plate (an AM-38) read "01 No. 7 EJ 01357 SSSR-NKAP" and "Frunse". The plugs were dated from 4-41 (April 1941?) to 3-42 (March 1942?).

I found also a shorter interrogation report dated 23 October 1942. It contains fewer details than the later one but also some less important details that are absent on the other report.

BarSeek
Member
Posts: 105
Joined: 14 Sep 2007 07:52
Location: Käkisalmi

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by BarSeek » 05 Sep 2012 17:05

Martti Kujansuu wrote:I found also a shorter interrogation report dated 23 October 1942. It contains fewer details than the later one but also some less important details that are absent on the other report.
EFO reported 6 POWs were taken from Suho and they were apparently then passed to Finns. RTR3 diary (SPK21591) contains record dated 24 October 1942 about four prisoners from Suho interrogated with interpreter Pulkkinen . Martti, have you seen there reports ?

User avatar
Juha Tompuri
Forum Staff
Posts: 11525
Joined: 11 Sep 2002 20:02
Location: Mylsä

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by Juha Tompuri » 05 Sep 2012 19:46

You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

Mangrove
Member
Posts: 1920
Joined: 25 Dec 2004 01:33

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by Mangrove » 07 Sep 2012 12:55

BarSeek wrote:Martti, have you seen there reports ?
Unfortunately the archives of both RTR 3 and Laatokan Rannikkoprikaati are unorganized and one would have to search through dozens of folders to find the reports. They are suppose to be organized later this year or during the first few months of year 2013.

Mangrove
Member
Posts: 1920
Joined: 25 Dec 2004 01:33

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by Mangrove » 07 Sep 2012 15:59

The island and the lighthouse from 1935 Finnish 1:21 000 map. H = sandy lakebed, K = rocky lakebed.

Image

Image

User avatar
Juha Tompuri
Forum Staff
Posts: 11525
Joined: 11 Sep 2002 20:02
Location: Mylsä

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by Juha Tompuri » 07 Sep 2012 19:17

Art wrote:
Juha Tompuri wrote: Морская торпедоносная авиация by Мирослав Морозов is a book?
Yes, the text online is one of the chapters
Interesting - I was not aware that also I seem to have been involved in creating the publication content.
http://www.bellabs.ru/51/Morozov/Morozo ... 944-2.html :
- http://www.bellabs.ru/51/Analysis/Fin_Minesweepers.html
- http://www.bellabs.ru/51/Analysis/Niobe_Kotka.html

OTOH I noticed there at the book a mistake.
If I have understood correctly, there is mentioned that the Soviet planes (51 MTAP and 1 GMTAP ) were responsible of the damage seen here at the River Svir dam and canal locks. Which seems not to be so.
Image
Image
http://www.bellabs.ru/51/Morozov/Morozo ... 944-1.html
Art wrote:
Do you know did the DB-3 (Il-4?) in question ever fly again?
No idea about it.
I just asked whether the plane mentioned as damaged was destroyed or repaired.

Regards, Juha
Last edited by Juha Tompuri on 07 Sep 2012 21:56, edited 2 times in total.
Reason: adding info

Art
Forum Staff
Posts: 6252
Joined: 04 Jun 2004 19:49
Location: Moscow, Russia

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by Art » 08 Sep 2012 16:48

These questions are better to be addressed to Morozov himself

Art
Forum Staff
Posts: 6252
Joined: 04 Jun 2004 19:49
Location: Moscow, Russia

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by Art » 08 Sep 2012 16:49

Art wrote:These questions are better to be addressed to Morozov himself

User avatar
Juha Tompuri
Forum Staff
Posts: 11525
Joined: 11 Sep 2002 20:02
Location: Mylsä

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by Juha Tompuri » 08 Sep 2012 20:34

Art wrote:These questions are better to be addressed to Morozov himself
Well... actually there is only one thing that is questionable, and that is the fate of the Soviet bomber that came home seriously damaged.

About honesty and good manners...well I haven't read the book.

And about the Svir dam area destruction, there are more facts at:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=164151

Regards, Juha
Last edited by Juha Tompuri on 08 Sep 2012 20:52, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: adding info

BarSeek
Member
Posts: 105
Joined: 14 Sep 2007 07:52
Location: Käkisalmi

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by BarSeek » 09 Sep 2012 17:30

Martti Kujansuu wrote:Unfortunately the archives of both RTR 3 and Laatokan Rannikkoprikaati are unorganized and one would have to search through dozens of folders to find the reports. They are suppose to be organized later this year or during the first few months of year 2013.
Sounds very hopeful anyway. I look forward to hearing about your finds.
BTW there must be one more Suho-related report I expected to see in RTR3/LRP diaries, but failed to find.
In "Suomi Taisteli" (H.Seppälä,vol.4) one can find a story written (probably for newspaper) by liaison officer H.O.Gummerus about his trip with Germans to Suho on the 22nd of October 1942. Unfortunately, in online diaries one can find only his report about the first German attempt to reach Suho on October 8/9, but there are no report of second attempt (October 12/13) and third attempt(October 21/22).

BarSeek
Member
Posts: 105
Joined: 14 Sep 2007 07:52
Location: Käkisalmi

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by BarSeek » 09 Sep 2012 18:13

Martti Kujansuu wrote:The island and the lighthouse from 1935 Finnish 1:21 000 map. H = sandy lakebed, K = rocky lakebed.
The map looks over-optimistic, in real life things are much worse.
"Star" symbol designates lighthouse Suho, "T"-shaped symbol designates underwater rocks.
Suho_Obstacles.jpg
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.

User avatar
Juha Tompuri
Forum Staff
Posts: 11525
Joined: 11 Sep 2002 20:02
Location: Mylsä

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by Juha Tompuri » 13 Mar 2013 20:57

Some additional info can also be found here:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=197379

Regards, Juha

User avatar
Juha Tompuri
Forum Staff
Posts: 11525
Joined: 11 Sep 2002 20:02
Location: Mylsä

Re: Suho Lighthouse

Post by Juha Tompuri » 13 Mar 2013 21:00


Return to “Winter War & Continuation War”