Erich Rudorffer's 5 Il-2 claim 3 July 1944 morning?

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Erich Rudorffer's 5 Il-2 claim 3 July 1944 morning?

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Post by tramonte » 04 Apr 2021, 09:23

Major Erich Rudorffer of Stab II. /JG 54 had total 5 Il-2 claims at 7.06-7.10 clock am., 3 July 1944 and his wingman Kurt Tangermann one Il-2 claim (7.07). 281 ShAD reported to have had 2 Il-2 losses. 277 ShAD also 2. However i don't know were these losses during around 7 am or later. Nor i have no idea of losses of Baltic Fleet.

Also no names of lost pilots or gunners.FiAF had 7 Il-2 claims timing around 10.50-12.20 mostly in area of Ihantala-Viipuri-Mannikkala (one in Uuras).
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Re: Erich Rudorffer's 5 Il-2 claim 3 July 1944 morning?

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Post by igorr » 05 Apr 2021, 04:09

Are you searching losses in OBD? There may be downed planes without losses of airmen. You need to search unit's war diaries on Pamyat naroda, if they digitalized in put on-line


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Re: Erich Rudorffer's 5 Il-2 claim 3 July 1944 morning?

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Post by tramonte » 05 Apr 2021, 15:22

igorr wrote:
05 Apr 2021, 04:09
Are you searching losses in OBD? There may be downed planes without losses of airmen. You need to search unit's war diaries on Pamyat naroda, if they digitalized in put on-line
There was some mentions of 6 Il-2s of 872 ShAP (281 ShAD) who faced 2 FW-190s in 3 July. Above it, mentioned losses of 281 ShAD - 2 Il-2s. Can't understand Russian langauage much at all but i have tried to translate the text. Yes - It was from Pamyat naroda. Losses of 277 ShAD (2 Il-2) mentioned also. And with its case there was something about bf-109 and FW-190. But more information needed. No idea what clock time.

Rudorffer's first claims just few km north and last few km south from Paltsevo (Perojoki) .
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