Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)
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Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)
Hello! First of all many thanks to all the participants of this forum for their efforts!
I am looking for photos and any information about what was going on between 1939 and 1944 in the vicinity of Vanhasaha: coordinates 60.23436061261438 29.503086368739375 ( https://goo.gl/maps/cnaZJ3ncRkPTR32Q9 ) within a radius of ±700 meters from this place. There are traces of trenches in this forest, several craters, presumably from air bombs, and the foundation of a house. I've looked at a few threads here and googled but didn't find any information, so I ask you to help finding it.
Maybe there are photos or soldier's notes, battle logs, artillery or air strikes etc.
I am looking for photos and any information about what was going on between 1939 and 1944 in the vicinity of Vanhasaha: coordinates 60.23436061261438 29.503086368739375 ( https://goo.gl/maps/cnaZJ3ncRkPTR32Q9 ) within a radius of ±700 meters from this place. There are traces of trenches in this forest, several craters, presumably from air bombs, and the foundation of a house. I've looked at a few threads here and googled but didn't find any information, so I ask you to help finding it.
Maybe there are photos or soldier's notes, battle logs, artillery or air strikes etc.
Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)
Reinforced Jääkäripataljoona 1 (JP 1) defended Vammelsuu against the Soviet troops on 1 December 1939.dreampilot wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 14:57There are traces of trenches in this forest, several craters, presumably from air bombs, and the foundation of a house.
- Memoir by Eino Harju of JP 1
Kevyt Jalkaväkirykmentti 4, Kevyt Osasto 1 and Kevyt Osasto 14 fought at Vammelsuu between 30 August and 1 September 1941. The latter took Vanhasaha around 7.50 p.m. on 30 August 1941.
The positions were part of Finnish VT-linja (Vammelsuu-Taipale) Between 1942 and 1944 "Metsänvartija" region was defended by Finnish 1. Eskadroona / Uudenmaan Rakuunarykmentti (1.Esk/URR) between 10 and 15 June 1944.
- Hämeen ratsurykmentti (HRR) positions at Vammelsuu between 10 and 12 June 1944.
- Memoir by Antti Keskisaari of URR
- Interviews of Colonel Hans Olof von Essen, CO of URR and several officers of URR
- Memoir by Cornet Pauli Tupala of HRR
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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)
Thank you very much, I appreciate your help!Mangrove wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 18:38Reinforced Jääkäripataljoona 1 (JP 1) defended Vammelsuu against the Soviet troops on 1 December 1939.dreampilot wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 14:57There are traces of trenches in this forest, several craters, presumably from air bombs, and the foundation of a house.
- Memoir by Eino Harju of JP 1
Kevyt Jalkaväkirykmentti 4, Kevyt Osasto 1 and Kevyt Osasto 14 fought at Vammelsuu between 30 August and 1 September 1941. The latter took Vanhasaha around 7.50 p.m. on 30 August 1941.
The positions were part of Finnish VT-linja (Vammelsuu-Taipale) Between 1942 and 1944 "Metsänvartija" region was defended by Finnish 1. Eskadroona / Uudenmaan Rakuunarykmentti (1.Esk/URR) between 10 and 15 June 1944.
- Hämeen ratsurykmentti (HRR) positions at Vammelsuu between 10 and 12 June 1944.
- Memoir by Antti Keskisaari of URR
- Interviews of Colonel Hans Olof von Essen, CO of URR and several officers of URR
- Memoir by Cornet Pauli Tupala of HRR
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Have you ever tried to read the Kozunenko/Karankevich book "Chronicle of battles on the Karelian Isthmus"? there are a lot of info about Vanhasaha events in 1944 and number of related links.dreampilot wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 14:57I am looking for photos and any information about what was going on between 1939 and 1944 in the vicinity of Vanhasaha
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I have not. Thanks for recommendation! I'm going to read the book definitely.Swing wrote: ↑01 Sep 2022, 22:11Have you ever tried to read the Kozunenko/Karankevich book "Chronicle of battles on the Karelian Isthmus"? there are a lot of info about Vanhasaha events in 1944 and number of related links.dreampilot wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 14:57I am looking for photos and any information about what was going on between 1939 and 1944 in the vicinity of Vanhasaha
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Great!
I found some preview pictures of the book's volume II and even it helped me: there's valuable info about the bridge over Vammelsuunjoki.
By the way, the foundation of an old house, that was possibly Finish, is located here https://goo.gl/maps/bKSRXhaWkd5Z57X1A not so far from the wooden bridge over creek, which is marked on this map https://www.karjalankartat.fi/?language ... er%20creek
It is my very interest to learn about its history.
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Also I would like to ask your advice, if it is necessary to start new topic in the following case:Mangrove wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 18:38Reinforced Jääkäripataljoona 1 (JP 1) defended Vammelsuu against the Soviet troops on 1 December 1939.dreampilot wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 14:57There are traces of trenches in this forest, several craters, presumably from air bombs, and the foundation of a house.
- Memoir by Eino Harju of JP 1
Kevyt Jalkaväkirykmentti 4, Kevyt Osasto 1 and Kevyt Osasto 14 fought at Vammelsuu between 30 August and 1 September 1941. The latter took Vanhasaha around 7.50 p.m. on 30 August 1941.
The positions were part of Finnish VT-linja (Vammelsuu-Taipale) Between 1942 and 1944 "Metsänvartija" region was defended by Finnish 1. Eskadroona / Uudenmaan Rakuunarykmentti (1.Esk/URR) between 10 and 15 June 1944.
- Hämeen ratsurykmentti (HRR) positions at Vammelsuu between 10 and 12 June 1944.
- Memoir by Antti Keskisaari of URR
- Interviews of Colonel Hans Olof von Essen, CO of URR and several officers of URR
- Memoir by Cornet Pauli Tupala of HRR
My great-grandfather was a fighter pilot (La-5) of 11 GIAP, and I have his flight book with recordings of dogfights he was in. I have compared these recordings with JG54 losses list and there is only one match that is not even complete. So I would like to share recordings from my great-grandfather's flight book in order to complete the knowledge.
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Additional "burner" to your interest: https://www.karjalanliitto.fi/karjalan- ... -asui.html
Look Metsäkylä/Vanhasaha line (asukkaat - inhabitants, the rest is clear)
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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)
Hi!dreampilot wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 14:43Also I would like to ask your advice, if it is necessary to start new topic in the following case:
My great-grandfather was a fighter pilot (La-5) of 11 GIAP, and I have his flight book with recordings of dogfights he was in. I have compared these recordings with JG54 losses list and there is only one match that is not even complete. So I would like to share recordings from my great-grandfather's flight book in order to complete the knowledge.
Please do start, sounds very interesting!
Regards, Juha
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This was really quite emotional to me. I can't help but admire people's so careful attitude to the history. Very touching. Great thanks!Swing wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 18:00Additional "burner" to your interest: https://www.karjalanliitto.fi/karjalan- ... -asui.html
Look Metsäkylä/Vanhasaha line (asukkaat - inhabitants, the rest is clear)
The info presented is invaluable!
According to the data there were three houses in the wood, and house № 45 is the closest to the one I'm interested in the most, but unfortunately there's no trace of any info about that house. House № 45 location is 60.23034 29.50125 which is ~215 meters to the south from that house, quite strange that it is not marked on the map
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Thank you!Juha Tompuri wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 19:55Hi!dreampilot wrote: ↑05 Sep 2022, 14:43Also I would like to ask your advice, if it is necessary to start new topic in the following case:
My great-grandfather was a fighter pilot (La-5) of 11 GIAP, and I have his flight book with recordings of dogfights he was in. I have compared these recordings with JG54 losses list and there is only one match that is not even complete. So I would like to share recordings from my great-grandfather's flight book in order to complete the knowledge.
Please do start, sounds very interesting!
Regards, Juha
I will start as soon as I have the material ready.
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Тhe next step involves learning Finnish and reading books about Uusikirkko parish. You can purchase them in Finland in the second-hand market. By the way, once upon a time I went exactly this way in order to find out something about the place where I have a cottage. It completely changed my life... Good luck!dreampilot wrote: ↑07 Sep 2022, 09:57According to the data there were three houses in the wood, and house № 45 is the closest to the one I'm interested in the most, but unfortunately there's no trace of any info about that house. House № 45 location is 60.23034 29.50125 which is ~215 meters to the south from that house, quite strange that it is not marked on the map