Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

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Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by dreampilot » 30 Aug 2022 13:57

Hello! First of all many thanks to all the participants of this forum for their efforts!
I am looking for photos and any information about what was going on between 1939 and 1944 in the vicinity of Vanhasaha: coordinates 60.23436061261438 29.503086368739375 ( https://goo.gl/maps/cnaZJ3ncRkPTR32Q9 ) within a radius of ±700 meters from this place. There are traces of trenches in this forest, several craters, presumably from air bombs, and the foundation of a house. I've looked at a few threads here and googled but didn't find any information, so I ask you to help finding it.
Maybe there are photos or soldier's notes, battle logs, artillery or air strikes etc.

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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by Mangrove » 30 Aug 2022 17:38

dreampilot wrote:
30 Aug 2022 13:57
There are traces of trenches in this forest, several craters, presumably from air bombs, and the foundation of a house.
Reinforced Jääkäripataljoona 1 (JP 1) defended Vammelsuu against the Soviet troops on 1 December 1939.
- Memoir by Eino Harju of JP 1

Kevyt Jalkaväkirykmentti 4, Kevyt Osasto 1 and Kevyt Osasto 14 fought at Vammelsuu between 30 August and 1 September 1941. The latter took Vanhasaha around 7.50 p.m. on 30 August 1941.

The positions were part of Finnish VT-linja (Vammelsuu-Taipale) Between 1942 and 1944 "Metsänvartija" region was defended by Finnish 1. Eskadroona / Uudenmaan Rakuunarykmentti (1.Esk/URR) between 10 and 15 June 1944.

- Hämeen ratsurykmentti (HRR) positions at Vammelsuu between 10 and 12 June 1944.
- Memoir by Antti Keskisaari of URR
- Interviews of Colonel Hans Olof von Essen, CO of URR and several officers of URR
- Memoir by Cornet Pauli Tupala of HRR

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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by dreampilot » 01 Sep 2022 08:45

Mangrove wrote:
30 Aug 2022 17:38
dreampilot wrote:
30 Aug 2022 13:57
There are traces of trenches in this forest, several craters, presumably from air bombs, and the foundation of a house.
Reinforced Jääkäripataljoona 1 (JP 1) defended Vammelsuu against the Soviet troops on 1 December 1939.
- Memoir by Eino Harju of JP 1

Kevyt Jalkaväkirykmentti 4, Kevyt Osasto 1 and Kevyt Osasto 14 fought at Vammelsuu between 30 August and 1 September 1941. The latter took Vanhasaha around 7.50 p.m. on 30 August 1941.

The positions were part of Finnish VT-linja (Vammelsuu-Taipale) Between 1942 and 1944 "Metsänvartija" region was defended by Finnish 1. Eskadroona / Uudenmaan Rakuunarykmentti (1.Esk/URR) between 10 and 15 June 1944.

- Hämeen ratsurykmentti (HRR) positions at Vammelsuu between 10 and 12 June 1944.
- Memoir by Antti Keskisaari of URR
- Interviews of Colonel Hans Olof von Essen, CO of URR and several officers of URR
- Memoir by Cornet Pauli Tupala of HRR
Thank you very much, I appreciate your help!

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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by Swing » 01 Sep 2022 21:11

dreampilot wrote:
30 Aug 2022 13:57
I am looking for photos and any information about what was going on between 1939 and 1944 in the vicinity of Vanhasaha
Have you ever tried to read the Kozunenko/Karankevich book "Chronicle of battles on the Karelian Isthmus"? there are a lot of info about Vanhasaha events in 1944 and number of related links.

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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by dreampilot » 02 Sep 2022 09:17

Swing wrote:
01 Sep 2022 21:11
dreampilot wrote:
30 Aug 2022 13:57
I am looking for photos and any information about what was going on between 1939 and 1944 in the vicinity of Vanhasaha
Have you ever tried to read the Kozunenko/Karankevich book "Chronicle of battles on the Karelian Isthmus"? there are a lot of info about Vanhasaha events in 1944 and number of related links.
I have not. Thanks for recommendation! I'm going to read the book definitely.

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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by Swing » 02 Sep 2022 15:04

dreampilot wrote:
02 Sep 2022 09:17
I'm going to read the book definitely.
You can communicate both K. and K. directly via VK or Facebook, but Facebook is not respected now in Russia :)

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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by dreampilot » 05 Sep 2022 10:59

Swing wrote:
02 Sep 2022 15:04
dreampilot wrote:
02 Sep 2022 09:17
I'm going to read the book definitely.
You can communicate both K. and K. directly via VK or Facebook, but Facebook is not respected now in Russia :)
Great!
I found some preview pictures of the book's volume II and even it helped me: there's valuable info about the bridge over Vammelsuunjoki.

By the way, the foundation of an old house, that was possibly Finish, is located here https://goo.gl/maps/bKSRXhaWkd5Z57X1A not so far from the wooden bridge over creek, which is marked on this map https://www.karjalankartat.fi/?language ... er%20creek
It is my very interest to learn about its history.

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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by dreampilot » 05 Sep 2022 13:43

Mangrove wrote:
30 Aug 2022 17:38
dreampilot wrote:
30 Aug 2022 13:57
There are traces of trenches in this forest, several craters, presumably from air bombs, and the foundation of a house.
Reinforced Jääkäripataljoona 1 (JP 1) defended Vammelsuu against the Soviet troops on 1 December 1939.
- Memoir by Eino Harju of JP 1

Kevyt Jalkaväkirykmentti 4, Kevyt Osasto 1 and Kevyt Osasto 14 fought at Vammelsuu between 30 August and 1 September 1941. The latter took Vanhasaha around 7.50 p.m. on 30 August 1941.

The positions were part of Finnish VT-linja (Vammelsuu-Taipale) Between 1942 and 1944 "Metsänvartija" region was defended by Finnish 1. Eskadroona / Uudenmaan Rakuunarykmentti (1.Esk/URR) between 10 and 15 June 1944.

- Hämeen ratsurykmentti (HRR) positions at Vammelsuu between 10 and 12 June 1944.
- Memoir by Antti Keskisaari of URR
- Interviews of Colonel Hans Olof von Essen, CO of URR and several officers of URR
- Memoir by Cornet Pauli Tupala of HRR
Also I would like to ask your advice, if it is necessary to start new topic in the following case:
My great-grandfather was a fighter pilot (La-5) of 11 GIAP, and I have his flight book with recordings of dogfights he was in. I have compared these recordings with JG54 losses list and there is only one match that is not even complete. So I would like to share recordings from my great-grandfather's flight book in order to complete the knowledge.

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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by Swing » 05 Sep 2022 17:00

dreampilot wrote:
05 Sep 2022 10:59
It is my very interest to learn about its history.
Additional "burner" to your interest: https://www.karjalanliitto.fi/karjalan- ... -asui.html
Look Metsäkylä/Vanhasaha line (asukkaat - inhabitants, the rest is clear)

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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by Juha Tompuri » 05 Sep 2022 18:55

dreampilot wrote:
05 Sep 2022 13:43
Also I would like to ask your advice, if it is necessary to start new topic in the following case:
My great-grandfather was a fighter pilot (La-5) of 11 GIAP, and I have his flight book with recordings of dogfights he was in. I have compared these recordings with JG54 losses list and there is only one match that is not even complete. So I would like to share recordings from my great-grandfather's flight book in order to complete the knowledge.
Hi!

Please do start, sounds very interesting!

Regards, Juha

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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by dreampilot » 07 Sep 2022 08:57

Swing wrote:
05 Sep 2022 17:00
dreampilot wrote:
05 Sep 2022 10:59
It is my very interest to learn about its history.
Additional "burner" to your interest: https://www.karjalanliitto.fi/karjalan- ... -asui.html
Look Metsäkylä/Vanhasaha line (asukkaat - inhabitants, the rest is clear)
This was really quite emotional to me. I can't help but admire people's so careful attitude to the history. Very touching. Great thanks!
The info presented is invaluable!

According to the data there were three houses in the wood, and house № 45 is the closest to the one I'm interested in the most, but unfortunately there's no trace of any info about that house. House № 45 location is 60.23034 29.50125 which is ~215 meters to the south from that house, quite strange that it is not marked on the map

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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by dreampilot » 07 Sep 2022 09:01

Juha Tompuri wrote:
05 Sep 2022 18:55
dreampilot wrote:
05 Sep 2022 13:43
Also I would like to ask your advice, if it is necessary to start new topic in the following case:
My great-grandfather was a fighter pilot (La-5) of 11 GIAP, and I have his flight book with recordings of dogfights he was in. I have compared these recordings with JG54 losses list and there is only one match that is not even complete. So I would like to share recordings from my great-grandfather's flight book in order to complete the knowledge.
Hi!

Please do start, sounds very interesting!

Regards, Juha
Thank you!
I will start as soon as I have the material ready.

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Re: Any info on place near Vanhasaha (1939-1944)

Post by Swing » 07 Sep 2022 18:35

dreampilot wrote:
07 Sep 2022 08:57
According to the data there were three houses in the wood, and house № 45 is the closest to the one I'm interested in the most, but unfortunately there's no trace of any info about that house. House № 45 location is 60.23034 29.50125 which is ~215 meters to the south from that house, quite strange that it is not marked on the map
Тhe next step involves learning Finnish and reading books about Uusikirkko parish. You can purchase them in Finland in the second-hand market. By the way, once upon a time I went exactly this way in order to find out something about the place where I have a cottage. It completely changed my life... Good luck!

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