Russia declassified documents about GB & France attack plans

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Russia declassified documents about GB & France attack plans

Post by Juha Tompuri » 20 Dec 2022 08:40

Russia's SVR has declassified documents about the plans of France and Great Britain to strike at the USSR in 1940
https://en.topwar.ru/207109-svr-rossii- ... -godu.html

Wonder if anything new?

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Re: Russia declassified documents about GB & France attack plans

Post by wm » 20 Dec 2022 10:14

Is this part of it?
Russian fascists have declassified an alleged document for timely propaganda purposes alleging that Hitler's 1933 #Germany planned to place #Belarus under control of new 3rd Reich government in #Russia. (Once Hitler took Moscow)
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Re: Russia declassified documents about GB & France attack plans

Post by Loïc » 20 Dec 2022 10:42

something new, nothing, even the bad faith, blunt lie, total distortion of the realities in order to rewrite the History
At the same time, it was not excluded that Germany would also join the British-French alliance, although this option was considered unlikely
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A strike was also being prepared from the south direction, the joint British-French troops were supposed to destroy the Baku oil fields, depriving the USSR of oil.
and more especially Germany given the 941 700 tn for Nazi Germany in 1939-1941 allied with Soviet Union in the invasion and occupation of Poland, and at War against France Great Britain Poland Czechoslovakia at time of Winter War
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Re: Russia declassified documents about GB & France attack plans

Post by Art » 20 Dec 2022 11:11

You missed the part "according to intelligence data"

The list of published intelligence documents in the virtual collection can be found here:
https://www.prlib.ru/books_collection/1 ... er_page=25

Foreign trade with Germany (or any other country) was 100% legal, didn't contradict to the status of neutral power and formally didn't give any legal cause for military actions against the USSR.

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Re: Russia declassified documents about GB & France attack plans

Post by Art » 20 Dec 2022 13:59

As far as I can see, the document in question about insidious plans of the new Entente is an NKVD report down the link:
https://www.prlib.ru/item/1322852
with intel from China which doesn't even tell the identity of a female agent or a male source (probably foreign diplomat or expat in China). So essentially it is a private opinion of some unknown person without any info to understand how much weight this opinion carried. Not much for a historical source, but based on reaction above achieved some effect in political trolling.

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Re: Russia declassified documents about GB & France attack plans

Post by gebhk » 21 Dec 2022 17:41

Sound military plans take years to prepare (as Poland for one found to its cost) so this is hardly a revelation. Therefore, I imagine most country's militaries have plans to invade Timbuctoo on the shelf just in case. Hardly a revelation. What is of interest is not that such plans existed (the British and French planners should be considered remiss if they did not) but how much the Soviets actually knew about them.

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Re: Russia declassified documents about GB & France attack plans

Post by Art » 22 Dec 2022 21:45

Plans of Scandinavian expedition (under guise of assistance to Finland) as well as plans of strike against Caucasus were developed in the specific situation of winter 1939/40 as a part of general strategy of cutting Germany from import. How reasonable these plans were is another matter. Yes, Soviet leadership had general idea about these plans and responded with their own measures, reinforcment of troops in Cacucasus in particular.

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