helsinki / ww2?

Discussions on the Winter War and Continuation War, the wars between Finland and the USSR.
Hosted by Juha Tompuri
User avatar
timoa
Member
Posts: 68
Joined: 13 Mar 2002 15:58
Location: helsinki

helsinki / ww2?

Post by timoa » 22 Jul 2002 11:10

"Kauppatori
The thumping heart of Helsinki is the bustling kauppatori (market square), also known as the fish market. It is surrounded by graceful 19th-century buildings - some of the few remaining in the city after the devastation of WWII"

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destination ... tm#gallery

Anyone have any idea on how much of Helsinki was destroyed? I thought not very much of it got bombed.. What is this "devastation" that lonely planet is writing about?

Also if anyone has pictures of Helsinki during the war, please post.

User avatar
Tiwaz
Member
Posts: 1946
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 10:36
Location: Finland

Post by Tiwaz » 22 Jul 2002 11:41

I guess this is again text from one of those great "experts" who come up with nice and dramatical BS when they write about things they know very little about.

Helsinki suffered relatively little damage. Good defences and creating "fake Helsinki" to nearby islands after first bomber wave (big fires which made bomber crews think they were already at their target) helped to reduce damage greatly.

User avatar
timoa
Member
Posts: 68
Joined: 13 Mar 2002 15:58
Location: helsinki

Post by timoa » 22 Jul 2002 11:43

I thought so.. I also remember reading that for example Lauttasaari was used to show as fake Helsinki and so not much of Helsinki was bombed.

thanks Tiwaz

User avatar
Tiwaz
Member
Posts: 1946
Joined: 11 Mar 2002 10:36
Location: Finland

Post by Tiwaz » 22 Jul 2002 11:46

Always happy to help if I can. Specially if I'm not wrong. :mrgreen:

User avatar
Juha Hujanen
Financial supporter
Posts: 2196
Joined: 20 Mar 2002 11:32
Location: Suur-Savo,Finland

Post by Juha Hujanen » 23 Jul 2002 02:17

6-7-2.1944 216(according to finnish radio iltelligence) Russian bombers(DB-3f,PE-3,LI-2,B-25 and some TB-3 and TB-/) made attack against Helsinki.They Bombed between 3000-6500 m..90 heavy(76-152mm) guns and light guns engaged.53 fires were set in town.Bombs were hit at least folowing adresses(Rautatieasema,kaisaniemenkatu 2,Lönrutinkatu15-35(several buildings9,Piietarinkatu 12,Sähkölaitos,Lutherinkatu 4-6-8,Porvoonkatu 11-15.Aleksis Kivenkatu 12-18,Tekninen Korkeakoulu,Valtioneuvosto,helsingin Säästöpankki,mehiläisen sairaala and tehtaankadun lastensairaala).
55 people were killed and 164 wounted(plus 20 were gas poisoned folllowing to a leak at gaspipe)
7.2.44 at 01.10 next airraid warning was sounted.Later it was estimated 350 planes was attacking..3500 bombs were dropped.331 was hit in town(10%),thanks for heavy barrages and decoy fires outside town.Casualties were:103 dead(some of them were earlier wounted),293 wouted.Aa crew casualties were 2 kia,4 wounted..28 buildings were destroyed and 137 damaged.
Russians said 4 planes were missed .
77119 heavy shells was fired and 2745 light(7.2.44)

16-17.2 44 420-450 planes attacked.Bombs were hit at(Katajanokka,Hakaniementori,Hämeenmtie,Unioninkatu,Kolmas linja,Eteläranta,UUdenmaankatu 1-3-5,Siltasaaren Työväentalossa).
25 dead and 27 wounted were casualties of attack.22 buildings were destroyed and 53 damaged.Probably 6500 bombs were dropped but only 130 were hit in the city(2%).10 planes were claimed shot down and 6-7 damaged.Russians said 14 planes were lost(some of them were propably shot down by German nightfighters from Tallin and some by German nightfigers I/302 (Haupman Lewers) send to protect Helsinki.12238 heavy aa shels were fired and plus 5709 light.
26-27.2 44 650-100 planes attack(some planes made several attacks) was made against Helsinki.18 people were killed,34 wounted,plus 5 aa men kia and 6 wounted.109 Buildings destroyed and 325 damaged.19201 bombs were dropped outside town and 799 in the city.(miss % 94.6%!)
22-24 planes were claimed by aa and 4 by nightfigters.
Before the bombings Russian agend named"Petteri" was dropped by Russians to nearby Helsinki so he could report by radio how bombings hit their targets(Russians tryed timiteted Finns to sue piece).Agend was arrested coz he wear wrong headgear.In interregation he broked and promised to work for Finns to save him life.After first bombings he reported(under Finnish supervision)that 90% bombs dropped hit dead Helsinki centre(actually only 10%).Russians thought centre of Helsinki was destroyed so attack at 16-17.2 44 was aimed to outside of centre of the city..Agend reported heavy destruction(2% hits!).Same was at latest raid.Agend was awarted by high medal for his part of bombing of Helsinki .)(after the war Russian airforce Colonel Leshinski was in Helsinki.He had a list at his hand and Finnish liason officer drived by his directions.After the tour Colonel Leshinski took off his medal( awarted for destruction of Helsinki) and gave it to Lietunant-colonel Pauli Erwi(his Guide) and said"You have build really fast :) )

So 149 killed and 364 wounted you really cant compare Helsinki to Dresden!

User avatar
timoa
Member
Posts: 68
Joined: 13 Mar 2002 15:58
Location: helsinki

Post by timoa » 23 Jul 2002 08:27

Excellent Juha!

Kiitos!

I especially like the part about Colonen Leshinski :D

Question, were these the only attacks made against Helsinki?

timo

User avatar
Juha Hujanen
Financial supporter
Posts: 2196
Joined: 20 Mar 2002 11:32
Location: Suur-Savo,Finland

Post by Juha Hujanen » 23 Jul 2002 10:54

At 30.11.39 12 planes bombed Helsinki.133 he and 60 firebombs were dropped.91 people were killed,36 wounted severly and 200 slightly.

1.12.39 was next attack.2 planes were shot down of force of 9 planes

25.12.39 3 planes bombed Malmi.1 shot down

14.1.40 6 I-15 planes attacked east Helsinki.6 people were killed and 21 wounted.
In Winter War Helsinki was attacked 9 times(not always were bombs dropped).81 air raid warnings were given and they lasted 73 hours.97 people was killed,38 severly wounted and 222 slightly.55 buildings were destroyed or damaged.At first day of war Russian embassy at corner of Bulevardi and Albertinkatu was hit.Fire brigade could only send one bucket hose to tame the fire.An old lady walking by asked the firemen"Are you pumping gasoline to fire?"

:lol:

22.6.41 in the morning 9 SB-2 attacked Malmi airport,due heavy barrages they missed their targed.Later 10 SB-2 attacked.2 panes were shot down.
26.6.41 6 SB-2 and 3 I-153 were seen but their bombs were dropped to sea.
8 11.42 lone PE-2 attacked.Due surprise aa fire was in late and 250 kg bomb was hit in the crowd lining next to movie theatre.45 people were killed and 120 wounted.

These were major attacks that i'm were of.They were of course recce flights and planes who flew over Helsinki.

Source Aake Pesonen-Tuli-Iskuja Taivaalle

Regards Juha

User avatar
timoa
Member
Posts: 68
Joined: 13 Mar 2002 15:58
Location: helsinki

Post by timoa » 23 Jul 2002 12:43

kiitoksia again

timo

Return to “Winter War & Continuation War”