Countries which helped Finland?

[Erik E]

I know that both Norway and Sweden had close relations with Finland, and several thousands volunteered for service within Finnish units.
In addition to this, there were all sorts of equipment, like blankets and skis collected and sent eastwards to the front.

The Finnish army had maybe the most different types of equipment ever used by an army, collected from every corner of Europe...

Is there any listings available ow which countries which supported Finland with equipment during the winter war?

EE

[Topspeed]

No I don't think so but we can do it here. This is for starters:

Sweden => Bofors
Italy => Fiat G.50
USA => Brewster model 239
Holland => Fokker D XXI
England => Britol Blenheim

All of these were paid with hard currency..some of the money came when folks gave away their golden wedding rings ( christian habit is to give a ring to a spouse ).
Some private business men paid entire battallions their equipments.
Swedish volunteer squadron F 19 was the only organized foreign volunteer group that operated from Finland.

Juke T

[Hanski]

Slow down, Topspeed, I am afraid confusion will result if all such different things are bundled together!

Weren't the Fokkers, for example, produced in Finland under license in 1938, rather than being sent as aid during the war? Besides the F19, there were troops of infantry and AA-artillery from Sweden and other Nordic countries that actually saw combat, and numerous volunteer individuals from other European countries having arrived, who received some training but were never sent to the front.

Some of the material was purchased under normal (or even stricter!) commercial terms, while some was donated free of charge. And simply much needed money was donated from various sources, as it was quite clear the financial burden for Finland was enormous. Humanitarian aid was sent as ambulances and medical & nursing aid, and our Nordic brothers offered both medical treatment for the wounded and shelter for children and other civilian refugees.

Could we try a more systematic approach?

[Aleksei22]

No I don't think so but we can do it here. This is for starters:

Sweden => Bofors
Italy => Fiat G.50
USA => Brewster model 239
Holland => Fokker D XXI
England => Britol Blenheim

All of these were paid with hard currency..some of the money came when folks gave away their golden wedding rings ( christian habit is to give a ring to a spouse ).
Some private business men paid entire battallions their equipments.
Swedish volunteer squadron F 19 was the only organized foreign volunteer group that operated from Finland.

Juke T

1. see more Armament Supply details in Mannerheim's Memoirs


2. -
Loan ( secret ) from Sweeden ( 40 mil )
Loan ( secret ) from USA ( 30 mil )
Loan form ...... ????

Thank you.

[Andreas Lärka]

Loan ( secret ) from Sweeden ( 40 mil )
Loan ( secret ) from USA ( 30 mil )
Loan form ...... ????

Thank you.

What is the use of continuing this bull...? Hanski over at the "Hidden origins" -tread said it very well when he said:

After 16 pages of obscure insinuations, cryptic puzzles, paranoid ideation, and denials of facts ad absurdum
. . .
Soon it will become 12 years since the secret protocols were made public in Moscow; by challenging their authenticity by his proofs of "forgery", Aleksei proves he has missed the train by more than a decade.

Thank you.

Andreas

[Tiwaz]

No I don't think so but we can do it here. This is for starters:

Sweden => Bofors
Italy => Fiat G.50
USA => Brewster model 239
Holland => Fokker D XXI
England => Britol Blenheim

All of these were paid with hard currency..some of the money came when folks gave away their golden wedding rings ( christian habit is to give a ring to a spouse ).
Some private business men paid entire battallions their equipments.
Swedish volunteer squadron F 19 was the only organized foreign volunteer group that operated from Finland.

Juke T

1. see more Armament Supply details in Mannerheim's Memoirs


2. -
Loan ( secret ) from Sweeden ( 40 mil )
Loan ( secret ) from USA ( 30 mil )
Loan form ...... ????

Thank you.

I have one word for you...

Proof.

[Aleksei22]

No I don't think so but we can do it here. This is for starters:

Sweden => Bofors
Italy => Fiat G.50
USA => Brewster model 239
Holland => Fokker D XXI
England => Britol Blenheim

All of these were paid with hard currency..some of the money came when folks gave away their golden wedding rings ( christian habit is to give a ring to a spouse ).
Some private business men paid entire battallions their equipments.
Swedish volunteer squadron F 19 was the only organized foreign volunteer group that operated from Finland.

Juke T

1. see more Armament Supply details in Mannerheim's Memoirs


2. -
Loan ( secret ) from Sweeden ( 40 mil )
Loan ( secret ) from USA ( 30 mil )
Loan form ...... ????

Thank you.

I have one word for you...

Proof.

I have one word for you... - Mannerheim

Thank you.

[Tiwaz]

I have lots of words.

Stalin, Molotov, Hitler, Sundance...

Come on... At least TRY to show us some respectable sources for your claims.

[Sami_K]

2. -
Loan ( secret ) from Sweeden ( 40 mil )
Loan ( secret ) from USA ( 30 mil )
Loan form ...... ????

Thank you.

What are those figures? Finnish Marks? Dollars? Euros?

To put figures into perspective, the State Accounting Office (Valtion tilivirasto) calculated, that during the Winter War, Finland bought or received without charge "military stuff" (all & everything military combined) for a total value of 4.6 billion (of then contemporary) Finnish Marks.

Cheers,
Sami

[KalaVelka]

No I don't think so but we can do it here. This is for starters:

Sweden => Bofors
Italy => Fiat G.50
USA => Brewster model 239
Holland => Fokker D XXI
England => Britol Blenheim

All of these were paid with hard currency..some of the money came when folks gave away their golden wedding rings ( christian habit is to give a ring to a spouse ).
Some private business men paid entire battallions their equipments.
Swedish volunteer squadron F 19 was the only organized foreign volunteer group that operated from Finland.

Juke T

1. see more Armament Supply details in Mannerheim's Memoirs


2. -
Loan ( secret ) from Sweeden ( 40 mil )
Loan ( secret ) from USA ( 30 mil )
Loan form ...... ????

Thank you.

I have one word for you...

Proof.

I have one word for you... - Mannerheim

Thank you.

Aleksei, as you know this is an research forum and therefore you need to show us your sources if they are request.

Kasper

[Steady]

France donated an awful lot of artillery pieces and ammunition to the gracious Finns. They also gave a "donation" of *legendary* Chauchat light machine guns among others, not so gratefully received.

More in here: http://ankkurinvarsi.com/jaeger/LIBRARY_MAINPAGE.shtml

[Topspeed]

Aleksei22,

Certainly money was also loaned, if possible...troops needed ammos, tanks, food.... also people needed food and medication etc.
Wars are a profitable business for bankers sure.

Juke T

[Mark V]

Isn't one Finnish/Jewish/Capitalist Winter War conspiracy thread enough ??

Keep this thread clean.

- the help to Finland during Winter War was arranged for large part by private persons and citizen organizations from all around world - at least those deserve that their contribution (and sacrifice of volunteers) is respected.

We have not forgotten anything. Thank You.

Mark V

[Sami_K]

To put figures into perspective, the State Accounting Office (Valtion tilivirasto) calculated, that during the Winter War, Finland bought or received without charge "military stuff" (all & everything military combined) for a total value of 4.6 billion (of then contemporary) Finnish Marks.

Took the time to dig some figures. The Finnish State debt was before the war (end of 1938) FIM 4140 million (of that, over 2/3 was domestic loan, ie. the foreign debt was some FIM 1300 million).

The loan from the US (30 mio $) was FIM 1380 million.
The loan from the UK (2 mio £) was FIM 454 million.
These two were the biggest loans, making up nearly the total sum loaned during the war from abroad.

However, in 1940, the State debt was in total FIM 17 031 million, of which foreign loans made up FIM 3 424 million.

So when calculating the expenses; the State debt had risen during the war some FIM 13 000 million, of which some FIM 2 000 million was foreign loans, thus 11 000 FIM was from the Finns themselves.
Thus the old Soviet claim that the war was "financed" by the western powers holds no water, since 15 % was foreign funds while 85 % was Finnish.

(Source: Timo Vihavainen: "Ulkomaiden apu Suomelle Talvisodan aikana" in the book "Yksin suurvaltaa vastassa", p.185-193)

Cheers,
Sami

[Mark V]

Special thanks to Sweden and Swedish people which did not limit their help for the duration of Winter War - also during Interim Peace and Continuation War Sweden gave help for the defence of Finland.

There is also countries that are not mentioned here previously, like: Hungary, South Africa, France, Denmark.