The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

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Re: The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Post by ML » 16 Jun 2011 08:08

These events were the ones I was looking for, so we have a winner. Over to Juha...

WW1:
Utö Fort of Imperial Russian army was under construction in August 1915, when Imperial German navy decided to destroy it in connection with naval operations in Gulf of Riga. Battlecruiser von der Tann and light cruiser Kolberg were sent to do the job on 10th August 1915. Sources mention also that battlecruisers Seydlitz and Moltke and several light cruisers were nearby, but did not take part in fighting. Russian destroyers were sighted near Utö and Kolberg attacked them as they fled to inner archipelago. Kolberg continued firing and when Russian pre-dreadnought Bajan was sighted near Bokulla island, von der Tann also joined the fight. Meanwhile German ships had come within range of temporary battery set up in Utö, of which Germans were not aware. Utö battery opened fire on Germans and von der Tann responded with 280 mm guns. Utö scored at least one hit on von der Tann and plenty of 11" shells hit the island. One man was killed and some wounded on Utö, but battery was not hit. Eventually German ships withdrew and the battle was over.

WW2:
According to armistice conditions, Finns had to expel German forces in Finland before 15.9.1944. Germans had a minor naval base in Aspö, Turku Archipelago, and disbanding it took some time. Most of the German vessels managed to flee Finnish waters in time, but netlayer ship Netzleger VIII and smaller net transport vessel were still taking apart anti-torpedo netting of base. The work lasted too long and Finns prevented the ships, accompanied with 2 tugs, from leaving and diverted them to Turku. However, during the night 16.9.1944 the ships had turned back to south towards Utö and open seas. Utö fort got orders to stop the ships, by force if necessary. In the dawn German heavy cruiser Prinz Eugen and escorts (5 destroyers among them) was sighted in south, outside the range of 6" battery of Utö. Prinz Eugen sent its Arado 196 aircraft to drop a message to Utö, demanding free passage for the leaving German ships. The fort got permission to let the ships go, to avoid unnecessary and destructive artillery duel with Germans.

There was also another incident (not connected to Utö) sometime after 20.9.1944, when the last four German ships evacuating 20th Mountain army supplies from harbours of Bothnian Bay reached the narrows of Märket west of Åland. Prinz Eugen was again present safeguarding free passage for the ships.

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Re: The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Post by Juha Tompuri » 17 Jun 2011 06:05

Thanks ML,

here a new question, what is the text hidden under the blue colour at this (repro?) badge?

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Re: The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Post by peeved » 17 Jun 2011 07:43

Hmm... Tanks, big guns and a menacing infantryman:

Krasnyj Gangut 40-41?

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Re: The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Post by Juha Tompuri » 17 Jun 2011 14:40

Sorry not Gangut ,nor 1940-41.
Well figured out that there was a date mentioned - the one at the badge is an exact one: day-month-year

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Re: The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Post by AVV » 17 Jun 2011 16:31

Hello!
The guns on the badge look like 203 mm B-4 howitzers. :?

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 17 Jun 2011 20:23

AVV wrote:The guns on the badge look like 203 mm B-4 howitzers. :?
For me too.

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Re: The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Post by Juha Tompuri » 18 Jun 2011 05:53

Winter War era

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Re: The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Post by AVV » 18 Jun 2011 13:07

Juha Tompuri wrote:Winter War era
May be, this medal commemorates attack on Mannehrheim Line in February-March of 1940?

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Re: The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Post by peeved » 18 Jun 2011 14:34

Mainila, 26.11.1939?

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 18 Jun 2011 18:10

Between the dates you guys mentioned, Markus being closer.
AFAIK even being an official production, the badge was never issued to the troops.

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Re: The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Post by John Hilly » 19 Jun 2011 10:14

How about Хельсинки 21.12.1939, saluting Stalin's alleged birthday? :?

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Re: The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Post by JTV » 19 Jun 2011 16:02

Juha Tompuri wrote:Thanks ML,
here a new question, what is the text hidden under the blue colour at this (repro?) badge?
Could be:

Upper part: Kareliskij Peresheek (Karelian Isthmus)
Lower part: 30-XI 1939 (30th of November 1939)

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 20 Jun 2011 17:14

Could well be :)

http://foow.org/kz/karelskij-peresheek- ... 96331.html

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Re: The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Post by JTV » 20 Jun 2011 22:07

Juha Tompuri wrote:Could well be :)
http://foow.org/kz/karelskij-peresheek- ... 96331.html
Over to you
I was lucky to find another version by simply trying "soviet badge karelia" in Google:
http://www.soviet-power.com/detail.php?pid=466

So are these things trying to be reproduction versions of Soviet Winter War campaign badge?

Ok, next question: Year 1920 military manual written by Lieutenant-Colonel Rainer/Reiner Stahel was published in Finnish, in its own way this manual was first of its type, but what was this manual about ?

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Re: The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Post by Scharf » 20 Jun 2011 23:08

Hi,
Could it be a manual for civil guard and it was about street fight/fighting in city or what ever it is in English :oops:

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