The official AHF Winter & Continuation War quiz thread

Esa K · Post by **Esa K** » 15 Nov 2005 15:46

A very interesting question... And have to start somewhere, so I say... Er.P 4 (cause, I don´t understand if "the earlier names" refeers to the batallion or the companies...?)

Regards

Esa K

Tapani K. · Post by **Tapani K.** » 15 Nov 2005 16:48

Sorry, Er.P 4 is not correct. And I did mean the earlier names for the battalion. In other words, the battalion was known by four different names at different times and I would like to have someone tell me the final name. Bonus points for the three earlier names.

regards,
Tapani K.

Harri · Post by **Harri** » 15 Nov 2005 22:05

It is Ingrian "Erillinen pataljoona 6" (Er.P 6) [Separate Battalion 6]. Its original name was "Finnische Sicherungsgruppe 187" which consisted of 27., 28., 29. and 30. Hundertschaft (strength about 170 men each). In 1942 detachment was officially re-named as "Ost-Bataillon 664 (finnische)" with four companies.

At the beginning of December 1943 OB 664 (finn.) gave its weapons away and was moved to Tallinn, Estonia by trains. From Tallinn a total of 617 Ingrians were shipped to Hanko, Finland by 13.12. and accommodated into German "Waldlager" which acted as a quarantine camp. There all soldiers were inspected, supplied and re-equipped with Finnish gear. All Lance Corporals and NCOs received their earlier ranks also in Finland. Average age of soldiers was 23 years but more than half of men were still less than 20 years old.

On 23.11.1943 Finnish Lt.Col. K. Breitholtz was ordered to take the command of the Ingrian "Separate Battalion B" (Erillinen pataljoona B, Er.P B) which was officially founded on 25.11. Since 18.12.1943 battalion was officially under Finnish command and the four months conversion training period was started. Between 7. - 9.1.1944 battalion was moved to Kiviniemi garrison on Karelian Isthmus by trains and subordinated to 10th Division. At Kiviniemi Separate Battalion B was organized between 10. - 17.1.1944 and by 27.1. it was fully formed and equipped although it received more men all the time.

On 1.2.1944 battalion was re-named as Separate Battalion 6 (Erillinen pataljoona 6, Er.P 6). Battalion's NCO School [Aliupseerikoulu] led by Ingrian Finn Capt. E. Sokka was formed on 6.2. The first course consisted of 105 NCO trainees. On 23.2. battalion was subordinated to 15th Division and moved to Leinikylä two days later. After the four months training period ended battalion took the military oath for Finland on 26.4.1944.

Maybe that is enough? (It is an edited excerpt from my FMP Internet site and its forthcoming Er.P 6 page which is still under construction.)

Tapani K. · Post by **Tapani K.** » 16 Nov 2005 10:38

That is, of course, the correct answer with extra bonus points

. Congrats and please take over.

regards,
Tapani K.

Harri · Post by **Harri** » 16 Nov 2005 19:46

Thanks, Tapani!

Here is the next one: Name the Finnish flying unit (extra point for the officer mentioned in the first hint).

Hint #1: This Finnish flying unit was commanded for example by an officer who visited in Great Britain during the Winter War.

Esa K · Post by **Esa K** » 17 Nov 2005 13:31

Is it LLv 42 - LeLv 42 - PLeLv 42...?

and, the commander could then be Armas Eskola...?

Regards

Esa K

Harri · Post by **Harri** » 17 Nov 2005 21:30

Well, OK I was aware that there would be two "correct" answers for this hint, so Capt. Armas Eskola and LLv.42 (Flying Squadron 42) are another correct combination. I accept that answer.

Actually I had Lt./Capt. Jussi Räty in mind. During the Winter War he initially acted as Regiment Adjutant of Flying Regiment 2 (LentoR 2) but was ordered to form a special group Detachment Räty (Osasto Räty) for flying 12 Hurricane fighters from UK to Finland. At the beginning of the Continuation War Capt. Räty commanded Test Squadron (Koelentolaivue, KoeLLv.) formed on 19.6.1941 from the Test Flight. Actually squadron had initially only one flight at Härmälä (Tampere) but another was activated during the summer 1941 at Halli when the pilots of the 2nd Flight flew Focke-Wulf "Stieglitz" trainers from Germany to Finland.
So, another combination was Capt. J. Räty and Test Squadron.

Over to Esa!

Esa K · Post by **Esa K** » 18 Nov 2005 11:40

Thanks Harri!

I thought this must be about Hurricanes or Blenheims, so I choosed the bomber track...

New Q:

A. Bäckman
H. Strömberg
P. Thorén

1. Name four things these three above listed blokes have in common.

2. When you have figured it out, add a fourth persons name to the list who also have the same four things common with the three first.

regards

Esa K

Juha Tompuri · Post by **Juha Tompuri** » 19 Nov 2005 15:44

Esa K wrote:A. Bäckman
H. Strömberg
P. Thorén

1. Name four things these three above listed blokes have in common.

They all:
-received Mannerheim crosses
-became generals
-served at 27th Royal Prussian Jäger Battalion
-changed their last names

2. When you have figured it out, add a fourth persons name to the list who also have the same four things common with the three first.

Hmmm...
A. Johansson otherwise, but didn't fill the 3rd criteria
V. Viklund otherwise, but didn't fill the 2nd criteria...
E. Wichman...could he be the one?

Regards, Juha

Bäckman - Puroma
Strömberg - Siilasvuo
Thorén - Talvela
Johansson - Airo
Viklund - Viikla
Wichman - Vihma

Harri · Post by **Harri** » 19 Nov 2005 23:05

Juha Tompuri wrote:Johansson - Airo

Airo was not Jäger, he was also a bit younger. He was artillery officer trained in Finland, and also Sweden. Bad, bad...

Juha Tompuri · Post by **Juha Tompuri** » 19 Nov 2005 23:09

Harri wrote:
Juha Tompuri wrote:Johansson - Airo

Airo was not Jäger, he was also a bit younger. He was artillery officer trained in Finland, and also Sweden. Bad, bad...

Juha wrote:A. Johansson otherwise, but didn't fill the 3rd criteria

Regards, Juha

Harri · Post by **Harri** » 20 Nov 2005 00:32

Very bad....

Mikko H. · Post by **Mikko H.** » 20 Nov 2005 09:47

One might also note that Airo was still a child when the family surname was changed by his father, the rest changed their names as grown men on their own initiative.

Esa K · Post by **Esa K** » 20 Nov 2005 14:42

Juha T. wrote:

They all:
-received Mannerheim crosses
-became generals
-served at 27th Royal Prussian Jäger Battalion
-changed their last names

and:

E. Wichman...could he be the one?

I say, congrats to Juha, the answer is as correct as it can be. Over to Myllykoski...

Regards

Esa K

PS.
Harri wrote:

and also Sweden

When was Airos training in Sweden, wasnt he trained in Finland and France...?

DS.

Harri · Post by **Harri** » 20 Nov 2005 17:47

Esa K wrote:Harri wrote:
and also Sweden
When was Airos training in Sweden, wasnt he trained in Finland and France...?

Good point. You are quite right. I always remember Airo was in Sweden but he together with Martola, Erik Heinrichs ja Oesch was trained in France (maybe I now finally would remember that?). Thanks for correcting.

Airo's original surname was changed in 1906. Despite of his originally Swedish surname his family was fully Finnish (which was and is nothing special in Finland).

But its Juha's turn... no more comments...