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Post by Mikko H. » 14 Mar 2005, 21:40

I don't think the rifles are an issue for the great majority of watchers -- esp. as the audience of this documentary will probably never have heard of the Winter War before seeing it. So, despite the overly neat uniforms, it really looks good and I'm looking forward to see it. Great work, Bair and others who were involved!

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Post by Eisenfaust » 14 Mar 2005, 22:20

Mikko H. wrote:I don't think the rifles are an issue for the great majority of watchers -- esp. as the audience of this documentary will probably never have heard of the Winter War before seeing it. So, despite the overly neat uniforms, it really looks good and I'm looking forward to see it. Great work, Bair and others who were involved!
Bair, I agree with Mikko H. 100 %.


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#18

Post by Topspeed » 15 Mar 2005, 06:53

Bair !


Looks good. I hope no one got hurt during filming.


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#19

Post by Tero » 15 Mar 2005, 07:10

I look forward to seeing the documentary.

Bair, I am not offended or anything but just for balance you could include a pic of a lone killed RKKA soldier on your site.

Being that there where ~130 000 RKKA KIA vs ~25 000 FAF KIA. ;)

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#20

Post by Bair » 15 Mar 2005, 09:13

Tero,

I am just lacking any good picture of a killed Russian soldier at the moment. As soon as reenactors send them to me, I will post them. I fell seriously ill before the last day of the shooting and did not see the last scene where there were about 20 Red Army men lying dead on the ground.

As for the scene with three Red Army men in a chell crater with m39s - this picture was taken by reenactors themselves, they were just posing for their own picture and this shot will not be in the movie.

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Post by Tero » 15 Mar 2005, 09:32

By Bair

I am just lacking any good picture of a killed Russian soldier at the moment. As soon as reenactors send them to me, I will post them. I fell seriously ill before the last day of the shooting and did not see the last scene where there were about 20 Red Army men lying dead on the ground.
Looking through the various reenactor sites it seems more common for the Russian reenactors than the Western reenactors to have these kind of posed pictures of fallen enemies.

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#22

Post by KalaVelka » 15 Mar 2005, 12:09

Roger

/kasper

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Post by Bair » 15 Mar 2005, 23:20

2Tero

Sorry, did not quite udnerstand - you are saying that it is more common for Red Army reenactors to depict dead lying on the ground or it is more typical for German/Finnish reeanctors to depict dead lying on the ground? Or it is more typical for the Red Army reenactors to take pictures of their opponents "dead"?

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Post by Tero » 16 Mar 2005, 06:51

By Bair
Sorry, did not quite udnerstand - you are saying that it is more common for Red Army reenactors to depict dead lying on the ground or it is more typical for German/Finnish reeanctors to depict dead lying on the ground?
AFAIK there are very few, if any, Finnish reenactors or organized reenactment groups around. Are there any German-German reenactors around ?
Or it is more typical for the Red Army reenactors to take pictures of their opponents "dead"?
This has been my observation. Going through the various reenactor sites, mostly British/American sites, there are very few pictures of "dead" people in general. The Red Army reenactor sites I have waded through have several pics of "dead" people in them and most, if not all, depict dead opponents.

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Post by Bair » 16 Mar 2005, 09:13

Tero,

I see what you mean. There are of course a couple of German-German reenactor societies that I know of but they are only reenacting outside of Germany as in Germany they would all be arrested. As for Finnish-Finnish WWII reenactors, I know none. There is one in the US, one in Petrozavodsk and two in St Petersburg.

As for pictures of fallen opponents, I think you are quite right.

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#26

Post by Gespenst » 16 Mar 2005, 16:46

I started also wondering whether any of the reenactors were willing to play parts of politruks or NKVD staff. :?

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#27

Post by Bair » 16 Mar 2005, 17:30

Well, Gespenst,

you will be surprised but there are entire units in Moscow and one small unit in St Petersburg that represents NKVD border guards and NKVD units. :|

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#28

Post by Tuco » 12 Apr 2005, 19:30

I will be doing an interview with the man putting this on in the next month or so. If there is interest I will post this here as well.

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#29

Post by finnjaeger » 12 Apr 2005, 21:40

Tuco, please do so, i would be anxious to read that and i think others are too.

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Post by Tuco » 14 Apr 2005, 02:27

Will do. It should appear on a few sites such as Mosin Nagant Dot Net, Gunboards, Kevos 4.com, and the New Nordic Wars Forum. It looks like this will be done sometime late this month.

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