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Himmlers visit to Finland

Post by Christian W. » 03 Mar 2005 10:46

When did Himmler visit Finland?

I have this photo, but I dont know the date or exact place.

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Post by Juha Hujanen » 03 Mar 2005 16:11

The date is early 42 and place is HQ of III Corps in village of Kananainen.

Himmler came to visit SS Nord Division and on route he spend few hours with Siilasvuo.Apparently Siilasvuo was not impressed of Himmler.According to Halsti's book Siilasvuo said "one gets such a high position when he owns low enough party number".

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Post by Christian W. » 03 Mar 2005 17:59

Any idea what they were talking about?

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Post by Topspeed » 03 Mar 2005 20:50

On the left is the same dude as in the photo Siilasvuo shaking hands with General Dietl.

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Post by Harri » 03 Mar 2005 21:09

Topspeed wrote:On the left is the same dude as in the photo Siilasvuo shaking hands with General Dietl.


I already told who he was in another thread where this very same photo was shown. I think it was your "own" thread? Don't you read messages at all?

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Re: Himmlers visit to Finland

Post by Topspeed » 03 Mar 2005 21:43

Christian W. wrote:When did Himmler visit Finland?

I have this photo, but I dont know the date or exact place.

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Do you Christian really have that photo ? I tought it was in Laukka's collection in Oulu ?

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Post by Christian W. » 04 Mar 2005 07:12

Do you Christian really have that photo ?


You mean do I have this photo at my home? No, I dont.

Have, doesnt mean that I have the actual photo. When I said have, I meant that I have a copy of it in my computer.

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Post by Victor » 04 Mar 2005 15:02

Then it would be appropiate to mention the credits for it.

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Post by Topspeed » 04 Mar 2005 21:41

I agree Victor !

Harri here is the picture I meant !

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Post by Harri » 04 Mar 2005 23:51

Yes, I'm aware of that. You talked about the "same dude". He is the Commander of SS-Division "Nord" SS-Brigadeführer Karl-Maria Demelhuber. Himmler visited in Finland inspecting the division which had not succeeded especially well.

I have a further question for all who know. As far as I know SS-Standartenführer/SS-Oberführer (30.1.42) Hans Scheider was the acting Commander since October 1941. Demelhuber was the Commander officially until 20.4.1942 but SS-Gruppenführer Matthias Kleinheisterkamp became acting Commander already since 1.4.1942. It seems that Demelhuber returned back late in 1941 or in winter 1942 but until when did Scheider act as Commander?

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Post by Topspeed » 05 Mar 2005 10:24

Christian W. wrote:Any idea what they were talking about?


It depends when the picture was taken !

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Post by Mikko H. » 08 Mar 2005 18:05

Himmler also visited Finland in July-August 1942. This was when Prime Minister Jukka Rangell told to him that Wir haben keine Judenfrage.

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Post by jasteri » 25 Mar 2005 20:50

Christian W. wrote:Any idea what they were talking about?


I don't know everything Himmler discussed but with prime minister J.W. Rangell he took up the jew question and Himmler said he could take them "with him". Rangell had replied that the 2000 finnish jews are all well respected members of our society whose boys are fighting on the front and that Finland has no jew question. I have heard but that Himmler had been furious but Finland got away without any consequences.

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Post by USA_Finn » 07 Apr 2005 10:38

Harri wrote:Yes, I'm aware of that. You talked about the "same dude". He is the Commander of SS-Division "Nord" SS-Brigadeführer Karl-Maria Demelhuber. Himmler visited in Finland inspecting the division which had not succeeded especially well.

I have a further question for all who know. As far as I know SS-Standartenführer/SS-Oberführer (30.1.42) Hans Scheider was the acting Commander since October 1941. Demelhuber was the Commander officially until 20.4.1942 but SS-Gruppenführer Matthias Kleinheisterkamp became acting Commander already since 1.4.1942. It seems that Demelhuber returned back late in 1941 or in winter 1942 but until when did Scheider act as Commander?


Nord had an inauspicious start but in short order, transformed into an exceptional unit.

Perhaps my Finnish brothers can help me with this family question. My Uncle Olavi Pahkala was in the comp 8, 8/JR29 and saw action in Ilomakie, Kirvesvaara, Kinasvaara, Hyrsyla, Mikkeljarvi, Teru, Vilga, Homorovitsa, Kuuttilahti, Piltsu, Pisim Akaviubebm Tuulos, Salmi, Vuksu, Lapinsota, and Kemin valtaus. No wonder he got hit twice, once in the shoulder by a German 9mm at the very end. Where was the Lapinsota action? Is Kemi part of this Lapp war? I am trying to learn the area where he took the bullet.

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Matti (family from Kalajoki)

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Post by Juha Hujanen » 07 Apr 2005 17:08

Hello Matti

The Lapinsota is the War of Lapland in Finnish and Kemi fight is part of that campaign.

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/LapinsotaMain.htm
http://www.uta.fi/~ik57579/lapinsota/lapinsota.html
http://www.kemi.fi/kemin_kartta/kartta.htm

JR29 was disbanned early 42 so most likely your uncle was transfered to 15.Brigade.It fought in Salmi and Kemi among other places.Reinforcement 15.Brigade casualties in Kemi were c.250 men.

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