batu wrote:The only motives publicly expressed by Mannreheim were military difficulty of such an attack:Already at this stage Field Marshal Mannerheim presented to Erfurth those difficulties that Finns would have in breaching the strong line of defence of the Soviet troops, reinforced with permanent structures.
That was the explanation told to Germans of course. It is true that Finns lacked many essential means such as heavy and super heavy artillery to attack a fortified area but that is only a partial truth. The following expains the true attidue:
However, the main reason to the negative stance was the reluctance of the High Command of the Army to advance to Leningrad, as well as the political aspect of the issue. The Finnish Lead of State had already earlier decided that Finns will under no circumstances aim their war operations against Leningrad and President Ryti was keen to supervise the compliance with this decree
batu wrote:I didn't get what is Lead of State and which decree would president Ryti supervise? Again, the murky "poitical reasons" emerge, but apart from the social-democrats' stance there is no mentioning of any other particular reason.
It means President and the Government together (but during the war only certain key Ministers of the Government are needed). They in turn were supervised by numerous "advisors" of which Commander-in-Chief is probably the most important one. Basically exactly the same "system" would be used today although the recent policy is to reduce the power of President like you perhaps have noticed.
Why do you think there should have been any "particular reason"?
batu wrote:So, according to the History of Continuation War, Mannerheim refused to actively participate in the seige because (at least as it was officially anonunced to Germans) it was too difficult for Finnish military to attack such a fortifyed city. This sounds totally normal, Mannerheim saving lives of his soldiers restrains from direct attack, and lets Germans do the job, the fruits of wihch he would reap later. Paasikivi prepared speech to commemorate the coming fall of Leningrad,
Finns expected Germans to finnish off Lenignrad, while Finnish army would ocupy Eastern Karelia and create Greater Finland, uniting Finno-Ugric peoples living there. So, there is no evidence of Mannerheim "saving" Leningrad out of some personal feelings towards the city. He as everybody else expected it to be occupied by Germans and destroyed. With the German victory over Soviet Union Finland would get territories in the Karelia and part of former Leningrad untill the norhten bank of Neva.
Leningrad was a German project, not Finnish. Finnish and German plans and intentions should not be confused.
batu wrote:But in durign the battle of Stalingrad MAnnerheim realized that NAzis would lose.
That happened much earlier. Already in the summer after it was evident that the combat ability of German troops in Finland were much lower than of the Finnish divisions and Germans can't reach their planned goals Maj.Gen. Hj. Siilasvuo wrote a letter to FM Mannerheim and told his opinion on the war. Already in November 1941 Siilasvuo received an order from Mannerheim to stop advancing any closer to Murmansk railway. About at the same time was also decided that Finnish troops won't advance any further in Karelian Isthmus. Only actions on Karhumäki area continued until January 1941.
batu wrote:AS for Mannerheim and Ryti's statements of despise towards Nazis, I don't think it's "basic" info. In fact it would be quite revealing, if soembody came up with the quote of Mannerheim or Ryti about Hitler or Nazism. So don't feel shy to give me this "basics". The same goes towards MAnnerheim-saviour of Leningrad. The above quote didn't add anything to prove that myth. Sure, we can say Mannerheim didn't take part in the direct storm of the city but his motives are far from being clear. And as the factual evidence suggests, they were mostly of military matter rather than humanitarian or personal-sentimental.
These are only Soviet myths. Lt.Gen. W. Tuompo has quoted in his published diaries what Mannerheim has said about Nazis. Read from there. Finnish motives are quite clear: Finns had their own goals in war which should not be confused with the German goals or plans like I already said.
batu wrote:Besdies, what about the "Greater Finland" idea? Correct me if I am worng, but I guess that was the major propaganda of Finnish government before the Continuation war? Or was it just minor radical movement? What about Lapua movement, ryssän viha, Lotta Svärd?
You are wrong. Again your own "guessing" without any proves. Just claims in line with the "official" Soviet view (myths you talked about).
batu wrote:I've read that IKL- the ultra-naitonalist party that had been in the parliament (though in minority) before continuation war was suddenly invited into the cabinet. This doesn't seem to conform the notion of Finnish government despising NAzis. Besides, Finland seemed to be quite pro-German even before the Winter war:In 1937 a German submarine flotilla visited Helsinki, and it was greeted warmly by the people and by the government. In April and in May 1938, the Finnish government presided over two great celebrations, marking the twentieth anniversary of the entry of German troops into Helsinki and of the entry of Mannerheim's forces into Helsinki, respectively, events that numerous prominent Germans attended. The Finns were also indiscreet in allowing a German naval squadron to visit Helsinki. Soviet suspicions were fuelled again by the visit to Finland in June 1939 of the German army chief of staff, General Franz Halder, who was received by the government in Helsinki and who viewed Finnish army maneuvers on the Karelian Isthmus.
I doubt this has something to do with the attack of Suho island?