Finnish armor losses?

[eugenek13]

- T-26 or Vickers from 2./Ps.P at Puujoki on 23 September 1941 by Soviet 75mm AA gun.
- T-26 or Vickers from 2./Ps.P at Puujoki on 23 September 1941 by Soviet 75mm AA gun.

SA-kuva 58699: "Finnish armour destroyed by an anti-aircraft gun 50 meters away". The number of the photograph suggest it was taken during late September or early October 1941.

Vickers №656(commander vanriki Kunnala) from 2/Ps.P destroyed 23/9/41 in Pedaselga village 76 mm AA gun 54 OZAD(anti aircraft battalion) the commander of gun st.sergeant Savosin Sergey Nikitich,3 men injured(2 heavy) . Finnish 2/Ps.P, JP 3,3/KeV.Psto 7/Psjaak.K fighting in Pedaselga 23/09/41 with 45 men(the commander junior-lieutenant Veishtort, politruk Shaplyk) 54 OZAD(2-76 mm AA-gun, 1*4-7,62 maxim AA, 18 rifles, 8 Nagant, 1 DP- LMG, 100 hand granate), and 13 Bordier Guard men with 1 Maxim and 1 DP-LMG.
Say me please finnish losse in this fight. Russian---54 OZAD 24 KIA and wounded, 1 dead of wounds in hospital, 14 seriosly wounded.(8 men awarded order, 3 Lenin order)

[peeved]

Finnish National Archives lists 5 KIA at Derevjannoje (Puujoki) on 23.9.41: http://kronos.narc.fi/menehtyneet/index ... raportti=1

Two members of JP 3 died from wounds sustained at Derevjannoje on 23.9.41 by 31.12.41 http://kronos.narc.fi/menehtyneet/index ... raportti=1

No deaths from wounds sustained at Derevjannoje on 23.9.41 listed for Ps.Pr. by 31.12.41: http://kronos.narc.fi/menehtyneet/index ... raportti=1

JP 3 and Ps.Pr. records probably contain more data.

Markus

[eugenek13]

I know part finnish losses in Petäjäselkä(Pedaselga) 2/Ps.P 3 WIA, 7/Pans.jääk.P KIA 1+0+1 WIA 0+1+0, 1/JP3 KIA 1+0+3 WIA ???, 2/JP3 4 KIA 9 WIA, 3/JP3 1 KIA, WIA ???????. Krh/JP 3 KIA 1+1+0 WIA ???. Interesting WIA 1,3,Krh/JP3.

[peeved]

Sorry,

My previous post was from another action.

Petäjäselkä 23.9.41 13 KIA: http://kronos.narc.fi/menehtyneet/index ... raportti=1
Latva-Petäjäselkä 23.9.41 1 KIA: http://kronos.narc.fi/menehtyneet/index ... raportti=1

Deaths from wounds sustained at Petäjäselkä on 23.9.41 as of 31.12.41
JP 3; 3: http://kronos.narc.fi/menehtyneet/index ... raportti=1

Markus

[Juha Tompuri]

SA-kuva 58699: "Finnish armour destroyed by an anti-aircraft gun 50 meters away". The number of the photograph suggest it was taken during late September or early October 1941.

According to...
http://www.antikka.net/naytatuote.asp?id=606560
...The tank at the photo above was damaged by a Soviet at-mine in front of Uusiselkä ([Ужесельга ?) 28th September 07.50 hours.
The editor suggests that the photo was taken after 16th October, after the first snow at the region.

Regards, Juha

[eugenek13]

Juha in foto we can see willage. Only one finnish tank was destroyed or damaged in village. It is tank Erkki Kunnala no 656 23/09/41 in Petäjäselkä.
28.09.41 tank kers.Salonen was slightly damaged by mine 7.50 hours , Uusiselkä was captured 11.00.
Tank no 656 was set on fire and his ammunition was exploded, in the photo we can see it.

[Juha Tompuri]

Eugene, really don't know, just posted what I read.
The book is not fault free, I know.

According the SA-photo captions, village Uusiselkä
SA-photo 58697

Petäjäselkä:
SA-photo 58862

Tank no 656 was set on fire and his ammunition was exploded, in the photo we can see it.

At the rear of the turret there are marks of something, but the paint at the national emblems seems to be OK, and the suspension has not collapsed, as often happens when heat treated.

Regards, Juha

[eugenek13]

https://www.rul.fi/gw-storage/v3/contai ... nnaala.pdf
The back of the turret cracked. Finnih diary Osasto Lagus 27.09.41 finnish offensive are stopped in 2 km South-East Uusiselka. 28.09.41 offensive continued 7.00, after the passage of 400 m finnish tank kers.Salonen damaged by mine(katkaisten telaketjun). NOT IN THE UUSISELKA. Uusiselka captured in 11.00.

[Juha Tompuri]

https://www.rul.fi/gw-storage/v3/contai ... nnaala.pdf

Thank you for the link Eugene.

The back of the turret cracked.

Apparently some overpressure inside.

Comparing the photos:
The other one in a (relatively steep) ditch, the other not. Pushed/pulled aside, for not to block the road?
Different background scene. As above?

SA-photo 58699

[Juha Tompuri]

Some similarities: The dent at the exhaust muffler and the paint(?) sceme
Something different: The bent air intake cover and grill.

[peeved]

This looks like 656 in Petäjäselkä:

Photo from http://www.ww2incolor.com/finnish_force ... _1941.html

Markus

[Juha Tompuri]

Seems to be a complete match. Also to the damage report: driving wheel and the cast iron bogey assembly blown off. Thanks peeved.

[Juha Tompuri]

Another Vickers wreck, photo from Sauli Häkkinen book Jotakin ehkä tietäisin, olinhan siellä minäkin.
Tank of 2nd Lieutenant Tore Snellmann, being hit by an AA-gun near Derevjannoje?
Two KIA two WIA.
https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic ... 0#p1861779

Totally destroyed T-26 / Vickers in Derevannoje near Petrozavodsk by AA-gun:
...
Miracously enough no crew member died, only wounded!

[eugenek13]

Peeved thanks you for the photo.
Juha this Vickers was destroyed by 2-AA 76,2 mm gun 261 OZAD(AA battalion).

[eugenek13]

Yes Juha this Vickers was Pushed/pulled aside, for not to block the road. His destroyed middle of the road.