Beheadings in the Third Reich

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby von thoma » 24 Jun 2017 17:39

Surprisingly, I can't find any information of him, here.

Helmut Hirsch, was a German Jew who was executed for his part in a bombing plot intended to destabilize the German Reich. Although a full and accurate account of the plot is unknown, his targets were understood to be the Nazi party headquarters in Nuremberg, and/or the plant where the antisemitic weekly propaganda newspaper "Der Stürmer" was printed.
Executed by guillotine in Plötzensee Prison, June 4, 1937.


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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby Pete26 » 24 Jun 2017 20:37

von thoma wrote:Surprisingly, I can't find any information of him, here.



I posted an article about him seven years ago, but that article no longer exists at that URL.


viewtopic.php?f=6&t=35191&p=1422101&hilit=Hirsch#p1422101

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby fredric » 24 Jun 2017 22:21

I recall the article, Pete. Handsome young man.
I do not have any more info though.
New subject: after making several richtbeile,
I have turned my interest to the richtschwert, used up to
1920 in some landers! So I do not feel I can post on this
subject because it is outside our focus. Still, I have found
proof the richtschwert sometimes were "loaded" with mercury to
enhance the power, much like a "loaded" baseball bat! Not all had this
feature but some did. Maybe that is the source for the rumor the richtbeil
also was loaded with mercury?
Wish we could find new info on a scharfrichter working during
the NZ era. Rottger, Hehr, Roselieb and a few others outlived the
war and survived in Germany. No photos have turned up on my watch.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby Pete26 » 25 Jun 2017 00:41

Helmutut Hirsch was beheaded in Ploetzensee prison by fallbeil on 4 June 1937. The fallbeil was shipped to Ploetzensee from Bruchsal prison in February 1937, so he was one of its early victims after it was installed in Ploetzensee prison. Remember that some 16 months before his execution Carl Groeppler beheaded Benita von Falkenhayn and Renate von Natzmer in the same prison with an axe.

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A short clip about Pankrac fallbeil

Postby Pete26 » 28 Jun 2017 03:56

The clip is narrated in Czech language. For a few seconds (1:42-1:45 into clip) you can see the divers retrieving the fallbeil sledge from Vltava River. Note that the blade is not attached to the sledge. I have never seen actual recorded footage of this before. This proves that the fallbeil was taken apart on the night of 30 April 1945 and individual metal parts thrown into Vltava River at the fourth pier of the Karl's Bridge and that the sledge of the fallbeil as presently displayed is an authentic one, not a reproduction. According to the narrator the fallbeil metal parts were retrieved from Vltava river and within two months after being dumped in the river the flalbeil was reassembled and displayed in its original location in the execution room (although with substituted missing parts such as winch, bench, head basket, etc. that do not look like the originals).

http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ivysilani/1 ... -sekyrarny

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Another short clip showing Pankrac fallbeil parts retrieved from Vltava river

Postby Pete26 » 10 Jul 2017 04:04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT3D6lDjpLA

The name of the diver who retrieved the fallbeil metal parts from Vltava river was Jaroslav Slepicka. The narrator mentions that 1087 Czechs were executed by this machine. This is inaccurate, as the actual number is 1075, and not all were Czechs. Also some Germans were beheaded in Pankrac prison, for example several German soldiers for desertion.

In this documentary video it is obvious that Pankrac fallbeil was completely disassembled on the night of 30 April 1945, wooden parts like the bench, legs, and the lunette were burned in the prison boiler room furnace and metal components thrown in Vltava River at the fourth pier of Karl's Bridge.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby von thoma » 14 Jul 2017 20:29

A fallbeil and place for identification.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby Pete26 » 15 Jul 2017 02:27

von thoma wrote:A fallbeil and place for identification.

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This is not a real fallbeil. It is a poorly made stage prop made to represent the Vienna fallbeil. A full size photo of this contraption is displayed to this day in the former execution room at Vienna Regional court. The outer frame appears to be made entirely of wood and the blade is either thin sheet metal or plywood and it looks like it is painted to resemble blood streaks for a dramatic effect. The winch is mounted in the wrong place and the cable is permanently attached to the thin sledge with incorrect horizontal rung spacing with two wire rope clips instead of having a self disconnecting hook as would be found on a real Tegel fallbeil.

Here is another photo of this fake fallbeil taken from another side (same photo is displayed in the former execution room at Vienna Regional Court):

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http://ausstellung.de.doew.at/images/tn ... _h.jpg&s=3

Note that there is no blood chute or head bucket, nor pins on the frame for mounting the head bucket, and the front leg supports are all incorrect.


As for the notice of execution displayed next to this fake fallbeil, both Franz Pecha and Karl Nechvatal were only 19 when beheaded at Vienna Regional Court on 24 May 1941.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby Max » 15 Jul 2017 11:24

If indeed these are the same machine, then the blade seems to have been flipped between photos.

Pete
Is there any chance that you can quote the page reference for your images [which would be always useful] rather than just the address of the picture which often makes it difficult to get further information.
The purpose of references is to allow the reader to verify information for themselves. Your image references often do not allow this.

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I had to search for guillotine and then wade through 5 pages to find your image.
It would have been more convenient for us for you to post either of the following addresses.


http://www.akg-images.co.uk/C.aspx?VP3= ... MEBMPUYY55.
For the actual image
or
http://www.akg-images.co.uk/C.aspx?VP3= ... H=622&PN=5
For the page at least

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Re: Fake Vienna fallbeil image

Postby Pete26 » 15 Jul 2017 18:17

This is an actual size photo of the same fake fallbeil in Vienna Regional Court former execution room. I believe the display blocks the door to the room next door through which beheaded bodies were most likely carried out of the execution room.

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http://www.nachkriegsjustiz.at/images/G ... icht_5.jpg

http://www.nachkriegsjustiz.at/vgew/108 ... taette.php

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Die Geschichte des Grauen Hauses

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Fritz (Fiete) Schulze death mask and execution report

Postby Pete26 » 23 Jul 2017 03:24

Fritz Schulze was beheaded with an axe by Carl Groeppler at 6 AM on 6 June 1935 in Hamburg Hostenglacis prison. The execution took place in prison yard number 8.

http://ciml.250x.com/sections/german_se ... urteil.pdf

The execution report:

DIE HINRICHTUNG

Protokoll Oberinspektor Körbers vom 6.6. 1935

1. Die Hinrichtung des Fritz Karl Franz Schulze ist unter Leitung des Staatsanwalts Dr. Stegemann von dem Scharfrichter Gröpler aus Mag- deburg heute morgen 6 Uhr durch das Handbeil in dem Nordausgang des Hofes 8 der Anstalt HH I erfolgt.
2. Die Leiche ist zwecks Sezierung um 6.05 Uhr durch das Anatomische Institut abgeholt worden und wird von dort später dem Krematorium -überwiesen. Das Friedhofsamt ist von der Polizeibehörde unmittelbar in Kenntnis gesetzt worden. An den Sarg ist die von der Polizeibehörde
überwiesene Blechmarke mit Nr. 2249 befestigt worden (Mitt. der Pol.
Beh. Hamburg, Staatspolizei, Tgb. Nr. 41281/33 St. P. 3).
3. Die Ausstellung der Todesbesdieiniqunqen" erfolgte durch den Di-
striktarzt Dr-.Spaethe. 2 Ausfertigungen sind der Staatsanwaltschaft
beim Hans. Sondergericht (Herrn InspektorWerlich) übergeben worden.
4. Die Herstellung einer Gipsmaske ist veranlaßt worden."
5. Geschoß I zur sofortigen Ubergabe der Effekten des Schulze aus Zelle
114 und 55 an die Effektenkammer.
6. Effektenkammer zur Angabe der verwahrten Sachen. (Erledigt, siehe
. umseitig, gez. Körber)
7. Kasse zur Feststellung des Guthabens und der verwahrten Wert-
sachen. (Guthaben RM 291, keine Wertsachen, Körber).
8.. Eintragen in das Sterberegister.
9. Eintragen in das Leichenabgabebuch (Vfg des Strafvollzugamtes v. 7. 8.
33 Nr. 130, letzter Abs.).
10. Absetzen vom Bestand.
11. Vermerk: Akte von der Vernichtung ausgesdJlossen!
12. Nachlaßregulierung.

Hamburg, den 6. Juni 1935


Der Direktor des Untersuchungsgefängnisses (gez.)Körber i.V.
1. Unter dem Nachlaß des Schulzes befand sich ein Karton mit Briefen p. p., die noch durchzusehen sind. (Durchgesehen 20. 6. 35, gez. Körber)
2. Herrn Fürsorger zur Durchsicht. (Beanstandete Sachen zurück) 3. Karton vorläufig im Büro verwahren unter Verschluß bis zur Abholung.
Hamburg, den 20.6.1935




Translated by google:


THE EXECUTION

Protocol Supervisor Körbers of 6.6. 1935

1. The execution of Fritz Karl Franz Schulze is under the direction of the prosecutor Dr. Stegemann by the Scharfrichter Gropler from Magdeburg this morning 6 o'clock by the hand ax in the north exit of the court 8 of the institution HH I.
2. The corpse has been picked up by the Anatomical Institute at 6:05 am for the purpose of dissection, and is later transferred from there to the crematorium. The cemetery office has been directly informed by the police authority. To the coffin is the police officer
Overheated sheet metal mark with No. 2249 (middle of the pole.
Beh. Hamburg, Staatsspolizei, Federal Law Gazette No. 41281/33, p. 3).
3. The issuing of the death certificates "took place by the Di-
Strict doctor Dr. 2 copies are the prosecutor's office
With Hans. Special Court (Mr InspektorWerlich).
4. The production of a plaster mask has been suggested. "
5. Bullet I for immediate delivery of the effects of the Schulze from cell
114 and 55 to the effect chamber.
6. Effective chamber for the indication of the stored goods. (Completed, see
, Overleaf, signed Körber)
7. The cash register for determining the credit balance and the value
stuff. (Credit RM 291, no valuables, Körber).
8 .. Enter into the death register.
9. Entered in the corpse record of the penitentiary of v. 7. 8.
33, No. 130, last paragraph).
10. Settling from stock.
11. Note: File of destruction destroyed!
12. Discount regulation.

Hamburg, 6 June 1935


The Director of the Investigation Prison (signed) Körber i.V.
1. Under the estate of the school there was a box with letters p. P., Which are still to be reviewed. (See, for example, 20. 6. 35, signed Körber)
2. Lord's caretaker for prudence. (Disposable items) 3. Keep the carton in the office until it is collected.
Hamburg, June 20, 1935

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Stadelheim prison cell block

Postby Pete26 » 30 Jul 2017 20:19

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http://www.mdr.de/zeitreise/bild-74820- ... sion=12887

http://www.mdr.de/zeitreise/ns-zeit/sop ... 28d56.html

Hans and Sophie Scholl were locked up in this cell block in cell number 19 for several hours before their execution on 22 February 1943.

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Re: Stadelheim prison cell block

Postby alanlee » 03 Aug 2017 05:55

Pete26 wrote:Image

http://www.mdr.de/zeitreise/bild-74820- ... sion=12887

http://www.mdr.de/zeitreise/ns-zeit/sop ... 28d56.html

Hans and Sophie Scholl were locked up in this cell block in cell number 19 for several hours before their execution on 22 February 1943.

Indeed, I have viewed the film in youtube several time. I remember she going to a open area after step down a ladder, where some clerk registered her name before she going into another cell where the wall liked as bathroom for death.

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Re: Beheadings in the Third Reich

Postby alanlee » 03 Aug 2017 06:00

I believed since Sophie Scholl is girl, so prison provided her a good service, as said, to let her as first person to dead, otherwise, you will witness blood all round the room, which is so horrible. Do you agree?


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