Number of Victims of the Holocaust - Reference Thread

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Number of Victims of the Holocaust - Reference Thread

Post by MattNutt » 27 Oct 2017 15:48

The object of the research sections of the forum is to exchange information
Well then David, please tell me

How many Jews died while interned at:

Auschwitz?

Belzec?

Bergen-Belsen?

Chelmno?

Majdanek?

Ponary?

Sobibor?

Treblinka II?

And could you also tell me

The remains of how many Jews are currently buried in the Auschwitz ash pond?

The remains of how many Jews are currently buried in the Sobibor ash mound?

Thanks.

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Post by David Thompson » 27 Oct 2017 15:59

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Post by Bryce2004 » 09 May 2018 22:27

MattNutt wrote:
nickterry wrote:...I hope to present 'clean' versions of the workings in due course, and to cross-reference them with the camps etc.
So you plan on telling us how many Jews died in each camp?

Thank you.

Please start with Auschwitz and Majdanek.

The original plaque at Auschwitz read:

FOUR MILLION

PEOPLE SUFFERED

AND DIED HERE

AT THE HANDS

OF THE NAZI

MURDERERS

BETWEEN THE YEARS

1940 AND 1945
And the original plaque at Majdanek read:

MAJDANEK 1941 - 1944


5 OVENS

6 GAS CHAMBERS

1,300m³ COMPOST

820,000 PAIRS OF SHOES


2,000,000 MURDERED PEOPLE

FROM AROUND THE WORLD
A combined death toll of 6 million people (mostly Jews).

Just a wee bit of an exaggeration I would say.

It would be nice to know what the true death toll figures are for these two camps.
Where does it say Jews on either plaque?

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Re: Number of Victims of the Holocaust - Reference Thread

Post by Waleed Y. Majeed » 10 May 2018 10:48

A newer danish source mentions some 500 were deported to Theresienstadt in 1943. 51 adults and 2 children born in the camp died.
https://folkedrab.dk/artikler/danmark-og-holocaust

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Re: Number of Victims of the Holocaust - Reference Thread

Post by mark_gr » 03 Jun 2018 03:21

How do people even come up with the victim tally for a camp like Birkenau and then be so sure about it when the records are incomplete?

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Re: Number of Victims of the Holocaust - Reference Thread

Post by Javey74 » 09 Jun 2018 02:04

I did some research into Auschwitz and Auschwitz Birkenau on their reported figures, again they can only be approximate due to incomplete records.

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Re: Number of Victims of the Holocaust - Reference Thread

Post by Ameliya » 13 Jun 2018 12:07

Calculating the numbers of individuals who were killed as the result of Nazi policies is a difficult task.
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Re: Number of Victims of the Holocaust - Reference Thread

Post by Br. James » 13 Jun 2018 20:00

Hi Ameliya, and welcome among us!

I certainly agree with your comment that "Calculating the numbers of individuals who were killed as the result of Nazi policies is a difficult task." -- and we see that it hasn't gotten much easier today. The figures on the number of people killed in the recent hurricane in Puerto Rico stand at 64, though other sources claim that the number of deaths due to that tragedy are quite different. For example, in May a Harvard University study estimated a broad range — between 800 to 8,500 — had died for reasons related to Hurricane Maria. Quite a disparity!

Again, it's good to have you here!

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Re: Number of Victims of the Holocaust - Reference Thread

Post by Javey74 » 14 Jun 2018 20:25

Ameliya wrote:Calculating the numbers of individuals who were killed as the result of Nazi policies is a difficult task.
I don't think you could ever have a complete record in any situation like this.

Even if you had records showing say 1,000.980 which is usually rounded to an estimate of 1.1 million. That exact figure could never be proved as any one individual within that figure could have escaped, or even got away on a death march towards the end of the war. Names of individuals are often changed to survive crossing borders.

Did the German SS guards record exactly how many they started with on a death march and how many died on the way. Also how many were left behind as they were too sick to walk. I don't think so. The ones that did survive were liberated usually as they were marching as the guards fled.

The German SS where meticulous is recording figures of prisoners entering the camp, and the numbers of people put to death, but recording deaths towards the end of the war was not a priority, by then it was all about getting rid of the camps through demolition and hiding all the evidence they could.

So because of this you will never have true and accurate records only close estimates at best.
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