Validity of an anti-Semitic quote attributed to Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Re: Validity of an anti-Semitic quote attributed to Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Post by snpol » 05 Jul 2018, 12:01

Sergey Romanov wrote:You've confused two revolutions: the February and the October one. What Solzh wrote about the former has no bearing upon the latter.
Probably you don't understand my point.
The fake quote, of course, refers to October 1917 revolution in Russia. And one of the main points here is a claim that not-Russians captured power in Russia. The words 'Jews' is not used in the fake quote but from the context it is clear that namely the Jews are meant.
I hold a question did mr.Solzhenitsyn support the claim in the context of revolutionary events happened in 1917?
It appears that yes. Yes, mr.Solzhenytsyn wrote that group of Jews-socialists effectively captured power in Russia after February revolution.
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Re: Validity of an anti-Semitic quote attributed to Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Post by DavidFrankenberg » 05 Jul 2018, 13:10

Sergey Romanov wrote:
Sid Guttridge wrote:Hi Guys,

We are talking about the same David Duke who is a Ku Klux Klan leader?

2002 - Date of David Duke's claimed interview with Solzhenitsyn

2008 - Death of Solzhenitsyn

2013 - Date Duke's "The Secret Behind Communism" was published containing the claimed words.

Unless Duke has the interview on tape, the above timeline makes it conveniently unverifiable.

Sid.
Duke is a notorious liar, of course. To wit: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... ke-on.html

The quote is quite obviously a fake - not only it contradicts what Solzh wrote in his book, he never used the unhinged style ascribed to him by Duke.
The style of the quote is not as fine as in the book, but it was an oral interview, not a written one. It is possible that Solj said what he thought more directly in an interview at the end of his life than in a book 10 years before.

It does not contradict wht Solj wrote in his book. It resumes it rather good. Fundamentally Solj said that the jews and other naitonalities took power over russians and massacred them in a revenge war. Solj talks about tens millions of russian deads. He clearly links that massacre with the presence in the bolshevik leaders of a high percentage of jews and other nationalities.

That Duke is a convicted liar and crook does not make the quote 100% fake. If it is a fake, it is a good one.


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Re: Validity of an anti-Semitic quote attributed to Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Post by Sergey Romanov » 05 Jul 2018, 15:22

snpol wrote:
Sergey Romanov wrote:You've confused two revolutions: the February and the October one. What Solzh wrote about the former has no bearing upon the latter.
Probably you don't understand my point.
The fake quote, of course, refers to October 1917 revolution in Russia. And one of the main points here is a claim that not-Russians captured power in Russia. The words 'Jews' is not used in the fake quote but from the context it is clear that namely the Jews are meant.
I hold a question did mr.Solzhenitsyn support the claim in the context of revolutionary events happened in 1917?
It appears that yes. Yes, mr.Solzhenytsyn wrote that group of Jews-socialists effectively captured power in Russia after February revolution.
Which has zero to do with his alleged claims about Bolsheviks.

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Re: Validity of an anti-Semitic quote attributed to Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Post by Sergey Romanov » 05 Jul 2018, 15:32

DavidFrankenberg wrote:
Sergey Romanov wrote:
Sid Guttridge wrote:Hi Guys,

We are talking about the same David Duke who is a Ku Klux Klan leader?

2002 - Date of David Duke's claimed interview with Solzhenitsyn

2008 - Death of Solzhenitsyn

2013 - Date Duke's "The Secret Behind Communism" was published containing the claimed words.

Unless Duke has the interview on tape, the above timeline makes it conveniently unverifiable.

Sid.
Duke is a notorious liar, of course. To wit: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... ke-on.html

The quote is quite obviously a fake - not only it contradicts what Solzh wrote in his book, he never used the unhinged style ascribed to him by Duke.
The style of the quote is not as fine as in the book, but it was an oral interview, not a written one. It is possible that Solj said what he thought more directly in an interview at the end of his life than in a book 10 years before.

It does not contradict wht Solj wrote in his book. It resumes it rather good. Fundamentally Solj said that the jews and other naitonalities took power over russians and massacred them in a revenge war. Solj talks about tens millions of russian deads. He clearly links that massacre with the presence in the bolshevik leaders of a high percentage of jews and other nationalities.

That Duke is a convicted liar and crook does not make the quote 100% fake. If it is a fake, it is a good one.

You're hopelessly confused.
There's not even any evidence of any interview having taken place. The only source of the claim is a notorious neo-Nazi liar.
The style is completely different both from Solzh's literary and oral output. And the factual claim completely contradicts the book, the 2nd volume of which appeared in 2002 - the same year the alleged meeting took place.

It's a fake, and not a good one at that.

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Re: Validity of an anti-Semitic quote attributed to Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Post by DavidFrankenberg » 20 Jul 2018, 23:26

Sergey Romanov wrote:
05 Jul 2018, 15:32
And the factual claim completely contradicts the book
I have already cited the book. I can keep on quoting it. It is rather clear.
Soljenitsin does not make a mystery about what he is thinking concerning the jews and their role after the bolshevik revolution. His book is rather frightening, by reading it something tells us to put away such a book full of vilenies, but another voice is admiring his narration, his seriousness and his erudition.

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Re: Validity of an anti-Semitic quote attributed to Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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Post by David Thompson » 22 Jul 2018, 00:53

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