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Stiltzkin -- You wrote:
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Haven't denied any, so you are caught in a direct lie, nice to know anything else by you can be dismissed from now on.Stiltzkin wrote: ↑16 Aug 2019, 21:43The greatest irony here is, that one of the most avid contributors in the Holocaust section, the "bastion" and blogger against deniers, also emerges as a denier of Soviet atrocities,Labels obviously do. We were talking about specific labels, remember?
For all those with a minimal attention span let me repeat again: we were talking about specific labels.
Should I repeat once more?
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1.) There is holocaust denial. Which is genocide. Per definition, ethnic cleansing and genocide can also overlap https://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10 ... 232116-e-3Your recollection is faulty. Please review the forum rules at app.php/rules
If I quote the message of the respective poster, the readers are probably capable and intelligent enough to associate and to deduce.give their name so our readers don't have to guess.
As for the explanation of the issue, I have my own theory and have build an opinion based on the posts (and private discussions with other members) in the respective subsection on war crimes (and other topics) and came to the conclusion that this must go beyond mere nationalism.
It does not look particularly trustworthy if a user devoted to the exposure of holocaust deniers is relativizing Soviet crimes, which makes it appear untrustworthy (camouflage). What matters here is whether this information is true or not and whether the NKVD executed such actions.Haven't denied any, so you are caught in a direct lie, nice to know anything else by you can be dismissed from now on.
The AHF might be even infiltrated and thus compromised (as many platforms and forums are), with the purpose of questioning or relativizing any Russian crime and to burnish the image of the "clean" liberator, which is quite disgusting ( ) and that is all I have to say. There is probably no such thing as an independent researcher in the Federation, only government liaisons. Not to mention the numerous attempts of discrediting Snyder (predominantly by Russian posters) who specializes in Soviet crimes and demanded to raise the Soviet Union morally on Nazi levels, hardly a coincidence.
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Since no such relativization has taken place, you have been caught in a second direct lie, right after your first one has been pointed out. Are you some pissed off Holocaust denier or something?Stiltzkin wrote: ↑17 Aug 2019, 00:36It does not look particularly trustworthy if a user devoted to the exposure of holocaust deniers is relativizing Soviet crimes, which makes it appear untrustworthy (camouflage). What matters here is whether this information is true or not and whether the NKVD executed such actions.Haven't denied any, so you are caught in a direct lie, nice to know anything else by you can be dismissed from now on.
The AHF might be even infiltrated and thus compromised (as many platforms and forums are), with the purpose of questioning or relativizing any Russian crime and to burnish the image of the "clean" liberator, which is quite disgusting ( ) and that is all I have to say. There is probably no such thing as an independent researcher in the Federation, only government liaisons. Not to mention the numerous attempts of discrediting Snyder who specializes in Soviet crimes and demanded to raise the Soviet Union morally on Nazi levels.
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That is a personal attack and construction which is an insult and I dont take it lightly, I hope the moderators will delete this, as it is also against forum rules. People who deny the holocaust and also relativize other crimes such as genocide or ethnic cleansings, equally disgusting, whether it is the Armenian genocide, or actions such as Katyn etc..Since no such relativization has taken place, you have been caught in a second direct lie, right after your first one has been pointed out. Are you some pissed off Holocaust denier or something?
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Pointing out your two direct lies is an insult? LOL.Stiltzkin wrote: ↑17 Aug 2019, 00:42That is a personal attack and construction which is an insult and I dont take it lightly, I hope the moderators will delete this, as it is also against forum rules.Since no such relativization has taken place, you have been caught in a second direct lie, right after your first one has been pointed out. Are you some pissed off Holocaust denier or something?
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Two questions remain: 1.) Did the NKVD undertake such actions? 2.)What did the NKVD try to achieve, what was their motivation?Pointing out your two direct lies is an insult? LOL.
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PS: people who lie, especially directly to one's face, are the most disgusting of all.
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Still no accounting for your two direct lies (which make any and all historical discussions with you futile)?
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For those getting lost in this thread, a short chronology. The guy posted this:
Did the dude correct himself? No, he doubled down:
He got reminded that we were talking about the labels ("Liberation". "Military aid". "Stabilization").
Usually I observe such a pathological behavior in Holocaust deniers.
Which I corrected, since historically this is nonsense:Or the Russians (or some historians) would write : "Liberation". "Military aid". "Stabilization".
It doesn't take a genius to see that those euphemisms were used for *external* actions (such as invasions), whereas the Polish operation was an internal one.It obviously happened before the joint German-Soviet invasion of Poland, so your labels couldn't apply less.
Did the dude correct himself? No, he doubled down:
Even though I obviously wrote nothing about ethnic cleansing. So he tried deceptively putting a false implication into my mouth.Ethnic cleansing depends on the timeframe?
He got reminded that we were talking about the labels ("Liberation". "Military aid". "Stabilization").
Instead of apologizing for an attempted deception, he instead chose to lie directly:Labels obviously do. We were talking about specific labels, remember?
And upon being called out, he directly lied a second time:The greatest irony here is, that one of the most avid contributors in the Holocaust section, the "bastion" and blogger against deniers, also emerges as a denier of Soviet atrocities, but that is not surprising.
Even though obviously neither any such denial nor any such relativization has taken place.It does not look particularly trustworthy if a user devoted to the exposure of holocaust deniers is relativizing Soviet crimes
Usually I observe such a pathological behavior in Holocaust deniers.
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https://www.definitions.net/definition/democideIt doesn't take a genius to see that those euphemisms were used for *external* actions (such as invasions), whereas the Polish operation was an internal one.
The only insult here, was you accusing others of being deniers, which also has nothing to do with the topic and is a direct attack.nstead of apologizing for an attempted deception, he instead chose to lie directly:
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^^spam
PS: that's all one can do when one's lies got exposed and one cannot respond. But very nice of you to admit that when you lied about me being a denier of something or other, you meant it as an insult (by your own standards), for which you should be... moderated (again, acc. to your standards).
PS: that's all one can do when one's lies got exposed and one cannot respond. But very nice of you to admit that when you lied about me being a denier of something or other, you meant it as an insult (by your own standards), for which you should be... moderated (again, acc. to your standards).
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Let's drop the personal comments.
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Lots of Poles from the German minority also had Polish sounding names. A Polish last name is not the same as being an ethnic Pole.
But I´m well aware that the IPN and Polish PiS goverment use every possibility to glorify Poles. One need to take only a look on social media where foreigners explain the POLISH truth of the WWII and the sufferng of Poles while the evil Jews did hand over their own folk and where never threated with death (SIC!), contrary to Poles, the only country where helping Jews was forbidden and punished with a death sentence. The latter is of course incorrect, lots of countries under Nazi dictatorship were threatened with the same fate.
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Lots of Poles from the German minority also had Polish sounding names. A Polish last name is not the same as being an ethnic Pole
Yes, I think we all know that. As, indeed, almost certainly did the perpetrators of these murders. However they had quotas to fulfil. What your personal opinion of IPN adds to this topic I fail to see.
Yes, I think we all know that. As, indeed, almost certainly did the perpetrators of these murders. However they had quotas to fulfil. What your personal opinion of IPN adds to this topic I fail to see.