Faked photos of Einsatzgruppe atrocities

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Re: Faked photos of Einsatzgruppe atrocities

Post by Penn44 » 03 Sep 2013 22:35

StefanSiverud wrote: ... Browning's "Ordinary Men" comes to mind as a good example - suggest the preferred method was a shot to the back of the head/neck with a rifle, putting the tip of the bayonet against the top of the spine as a method of aim if I remember correctly.
Correct. The passage in mind reads:
“I believe that at this point all officers of the battalion were present, especially our battalion physician, Dr. Schoenfelder. He now had to explain to us precisely how we had to shoot in order to induce the immediate death of the victim. I remember exactly that for this demonstration he drew or outlined the contour of a human body, at least from the shoulders upward, and then indicated precisely the point on which the fixed bayonet was to be placed as an aiming guide.”
Christopher Browning, Ordinary Men: Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, 1992, p. 62.

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Re: Faked photos of Einsatzgruppe atrocities

Post by little grey rabbit » 04 Sep 2013 06:43

I would be interested to know a bit more about what accounts you have found "your" method in, as I'd like to read them myself.
Well, it is not exactly my method. You are going to have to indulge me but I am flying off to the Himalayas in 4 hours so I don't have time to try and find them,
IIRC One was a member of Einsatzgruppe C and the other was a police battalion partisan fighting in Army Group Centre backward areas.

Perhaps the difference is these units did a lot more fighting and reprisals than police units in Poland. I believe only 2 officers actually were convicted of anything in the "Ordinary Men" - people are more likely to confess to things if they don't believe they are going to pay a price for it.

One officer got 4 years
http://www1.jur.uva.nl/junsv/brd/files/brd772.htm
One officer got 8 years
http://www1.jur.uva.nl/junsv/brd/files/brd670.htm

Another officer was hung in Poland for crimes against the Polish resistance.

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Re: Faked photos of Einsatzgruppe atrocities

Post by Sergey Romanov » 08 Oct 2019 17:23

Can the gun in The Last Jew of Vinnitsa photo be determined? Experts?

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Re: Faked photos of Einsatzgruppe atrocities

Post by Poot » 08 Oct 2019 20:53

Can you post the photo you're referring to?
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Re: Faked photos of Einsatzgruppe atrocities

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Re: Faked photos of Einsatzgruppe atrocities

Post by aurelien wolff » 09 Oct 2019 12:04

care to explain what part is fake(I can't see it)?

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Re: Faked photos of Einsatzgruppe atrocities

Post by Poot » 09 Oct 2019 17:00

Sergey Romanov,
There's not enough clarity in the photo (and its taken from too far away) to determine with certainty, but from what I can see, it appears to be a Czech Cz.27 semiautomatic handgun.

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Re: Faked photos of Einsatzgruppe atrocities

Post by Sergey Romanov » 09 Oct 2019 22:52

Thanks!

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Re: Faked photos of Einsatzgruppe atrocities

Post by Poot » 10 Oct 2019 03:55

No problem! Anytime.
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Re: Faked photos of Einsatzgruppe atrocities

Post by Sid Guttridge » 10 Oct 2019 20:59

Hi Guys,

OC asked why 10 percent of Latvians joined the Waffen-SS?

Simple, the Germans imposed conscription on both them and the Estonians.

Cheers,

Sid

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