Deported war criminals?

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Re: Deported war criminals?

Post by paolosilv » 14 Jun 2009 05:50

It's odd. I grew up, unsuspecting, only 20 minutes drive away from a deported Nazi war criminal. I'm just reading about it now, and I know exactly where he lived.

It makes my innocent life growing up a bit tainted. And it is odd that the German Nazi would choose to live in a predominantly Jewish area, but I have heard of that one before , too.

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Re: Deported war criminals?

Post by paolosilv » 27 Jun 2009 02:31

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7958595.stm

It looks like Nazi hunting has come to an end. The youngest Nazi on the list is 87 years old. :|

Martin Sandberger is supposedly alive, at 99.

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Post by Kajtmaz » 23 Apr 2010 10:52

David Thompson wrote:Tannenbaum, Jacob (c. 1916-?) -- Jewish kapo, forced labor camp (Zwangsarbeitslager - ZAL) Goerlitz Sept 1944-May 1945 {emigrated to US from Poland 1949; became US citizen 1955; deportation proceedings contemplated by US Justice Department Office of Special Investigations (OSI) 1 May 1987 (NYT 1 May 1987:II:3:4)
NYT, May 1987

“Mr. Tannenbaum declined to be interviewed for this article due to poor health and emotional distress. But both Sonny Tannenbaum and Mr. Massel maintain the man's innocence.

As they recount the story, Jacob Tannenbaum was a young conscript in the Polish Army when he was sent to the first of three concentration camps in 1942. He was later transferred along with other relatively healthy prisoners to the forced-labor camp at Wola in Galicia. There, they say, Mr. Tannenbaum's Nazi captors blinded him in one eye and severly injured his back during a beating. Finally, for eight months of 1944 and 1945, Mr. Tannenbaum served as a kapo in Gorlitz, supervising some of the 1,000 prisoners who worked in an armaments factory.”

''I know that when the Tannenbaum case is heard, many of the allegations will be horrifying,'' said Rabbi Marvin Hier, the dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los Angeles, which studies the Holocaust and human rights issues. ''What needs to be said generally is that one must make a distinction between those who volunteered for the SS or the Gestapo and those who thought they would save their lives by cooperating. You can't say Patty Hearst played the same role as her kidnappers. The same is true of any kapo.'' 'Sad and Tragic'

''Any inquiry like this, Jewish or German, comes down to whether someone took part in the persecution of innocent people willingly and voluntarily,'' said Mr. Ryan, a former director of the Office of Special Investigations and now a lawyer for Harvard University. ''It's just that with the kapos you have to add the additional layer of what the SS was doing over their shoulders. Were the kapos beating the inmates only enough to keep the SS from beating them even more brutally? Or were they persecuting them as badly or even worse than the SS?''

''This is not a case brought simply because Mr. Tannenbaum served as a kapo,'' said Neal M. Scher, the director of the Office of Special Investigations. ''This was brought because he engaged in physical violence against inmates. It is based on a brutality that was unwarranted by any standard.''
David Thompson wrote:OSI began denaturalization proceedings 12 May 1987 (NYT 12 May 1987:II:3:5; NYT 26 May 1987:II:1:2); voluntarily relinquished US citizenship after admitting he beat Jewish prisoners 4 Feb 1988 (NYT 5 Feb 1988:II:1:2);

subsequent disposition unknown.}
Newsday, Feb 5, 1988

“The government agreed not to press for deportation because it might endanger Tannenbaum's life.”

David Thompson wrote:
Demjanjuk, Iwan Nicolaievich "John" (1920-?) -- allegedly a Ukrainian guard at concentration camp (Konzentrationslager - KL) Sobibor and KL Treblinka death camps;...
...
federal appeals panel of judges term US Department of Justice Office of Special Investigations (OSI) handling of case "a fraud on the court" and said the OSI prosecutors "acted with reckless disregard for the truth and for the Government's obligation to take no steps that prevent an adversary from presenting his case fairly and squarely" 17 Nov 1993 (NYT 18 Nov 1993:1:1 & B:20:4; NYT 19 Nov 1993:30:1);

OSI again seeks to revoke citizenship 19 May 1999 (NYT 20 May 1999:25:5).}

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Re: Deported war criminals?

Post by David Thompson » 23 Apr 2010 13:25

Kajtmaz -- Thanks for that update on Mr. Tannenbaum.

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Re: Deported war criminals?

Post by Kajtmaz » 23 Apr 2010 14:10

I hope all goes well, when I do update on Mr. Demjanjuk.
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Re: Deported war criminals?

Post by Grellber » 04 Dec 2011 18:43

Ieva Zaķe's paper:
http://users.rowan.edu/~zake/papers/The ... etwork.pdf

And Sandberger is now deceased.

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Re: Deported war criminals?

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Re: Deported war criminals?

Post by Linkagain » 19 Jul 2021 17:20

For 28 of the above names:
With one exception have been able to track down vital dates/dispostions of names in deporation lists.
Bartesch, Martin (c.1927-d.1989] Fled to Austria
Benkunskas, Henrikas (c. 1920-d.1986] Resident of Illinois
Breyer, Johann (1925-d.2014] Died before extradition hearing
Dancis, August[us] [b.1900-1989] Resident of New York
Detlavs, Karlis (1911-1983] admitted being Member of Latavian Legion {Died Baltimore Maryland]
Ensin, Albert [b.1922-1994] Resident of Stoughton Mass
Friedmann, Heinrich [1905-1991] Resident of California
Gecas, Vytautas [b.1922-d.2005] Resident of Illinois
Gruber, Michael (c. 1915-d.1987] Resident of Illinois
Habisch, Jakob (c. 1914-1995] Not deported because of Health
Hajda, Bronislaw (c. 1925-d.2005] Not deported as no country would accept him
Hazners, Vjllis (1905-1989] Resident of New Jersey USA
Inde, Edgars (b1909 d.1990] resident of Minneapolis Minnesota
Kairys, Liudas (c. 1921-d.1999] Deported to Germany 1993
Kaminskas, Bronius (c. 1903-d.1994] resident of Manchester CT
Kowalczuk, Mykola aka Kowalchuk (c. 1927-1997] Resident of New York
Kowalczuk, Serhij aka Kowalchuk (c. 1920-d.1998] Fled to Paragauy 1987
Koziy, Bohdan aka Bogdanus Kosij (23.2.1923-d.2003] Fled to Costa Rica 1985
Laipenieks, Edgars (b.1913-d.1998] Resident of California
Leili, Stefan (c. 1910-1995] Fled to West Germany 1986
Maikovskis, Boleslavs (c. 1904-d.1996] Fled to West Germany 1987
Palciauskas, Kazys (1907-d.1992] died in Florida appealing deporation
Petkiewytsch, Leonid (aug 30 1923-d.Jan 7,2000] Resident of Finnytown Ohio
Stelmokas aka Stelmokevicius, Jonas (c. 1917-d.1998] Died in Pennsylvanisa appealing deportation
Tannenbaum, Jacob (c. 1916-d.1989] Not deported because of health
Tittjung, Anton (c. 1924-d.2012] Not deported as no country would accept Him
Wieland, Josef (c. 1909-d.1992] Fled to West Germany

The One exception is Broscheid, Frederick
I have found nothing of his vital dates

99% out of 100 is not too bad..... :roll: :thumbsup:

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Re: Deported war criminals?

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Re: Deported war criminals?

Post by Linkagain » 08 Sep 2021 02:15

Another name to add to the list "Operation Paperclip"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_H._Debus#Germany
Born 1908-died 1983

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Re: Deported war criminals?

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Re: Deported war criminals?

Post by mikegriffith1 » 20 Nov 2021 16:06

Demjanjuk, Iwan Nicolaievich "John" (1920-?)
I have serious doubts about the case against Demjanjuk. The Israeli Supreme Court, no less, found the evidence that Demjanjuk was Ivan the Terrible so weak and contradictory that they voided the guilty judgment of the trial court and ordered him released.

The alleged eyewitnesses were dubious and suspect. One of them was clearly senile. Another was thoroughly impeached as a liar--he had earlier claimed, in writing, that he had seen Ivan the Terrible die. Another had repeatedly identified the photo of other men, not Demjanjuk, when asked to pick Ivan the Terrible out of a group of pictures.

If the evidence against Demjanjuk were solid and established guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, I would say execute him or throw him in solitary confinement with no chance for parole. But the evidence that Demjanjuk is Ivan the Terrible is very questionable, and some of it appears to have been forged.

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Re: Deported war criminals?

Post by steve248 » 25 Nov 2021 14:11

Demjanjuk died in 2012.

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