Parfondruy - Trial Heinrich Goltz

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Re: Parfondruy - Trial Heinrich Goltz

Post by Georg_S » 26 Jun 2019 10:21

I suspected that, but as this search was published as late as in the 60's I thought it was a bit strange.

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Post by Puck » 18 Sep 2023 23:47

dylan wrote:
08 Aug 2006 20:40
Trial from 28/6 until 31/7/1948

sentenced 12 years Kilat Ernst
10 years : Liethold Edgar,Liebersbach Kasimir,Zagler Max, Scierra Franz
Mahl Ernst,Rosenke Richard,Schairer Alfred
Acquittal Tremmel Heinz.

all are listed as SS Schutze.

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Ernst Kilat (*14.05.1928 Hensken/Ostpr. - LSSAH)
Ernst Leithold (*30.12.1925 Rasberg - SS-Sturmmann/LSSAH Aufkl.Abt.)
Ernst Mahl (*27.05.1925 Annahof - SS-Pz.Gren/LSSAH Aufkl.Abt.)
Richard Rosenke (*05.02.1927 Thorn - ??/??)
Alfred Schairer (*10.09.1926 Magretshausen - LSSAH Aufkl.Abt.)
Franz Scziera (*23.01.1926 Bottrop - ??/??)
Max Zagler (*09.09.1924 Linz - ??/??)

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Re: Parfondruy - Trial Heinrich Goltz

Post by Harro » 19 Sep 2023 06:34

Some corrections:

SS-Rottenführer Kasimir Liebersbach
SS-Sturmmann Edgar Otto Leithold
SS-Mann Richard Rosenke, born in Leslau (Włocławek)
SS-Schütze Ernst Mahl
SS-Mann Franz Scziera
SS-Schütze Alfred Schairer from Margrethausen

The above were all Pionierzug/Stabskompanie/SS-PzAA1

SS-Mann Heinz Tremmel from Kaiserslautern. He was with the Fahrradzug/Stabskompanie/SS-PzAA1

SS-Mann Ernst Kilat was with 10./SS-PzGren.Rgt.2

Obergefreiter Max Zagler was with 6/FJR8

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Post by Puck » 04 Nov 2023 16:06

dylan wrote:
08 Aug 2006 20:40
Trial from 28/6 until 31/7/1948

sentenced 12 years Kilat Ernst
10 years : Liethold Edgar,Liebersbach Kasimir,Zagler Max, Scierra Franz
Mahl Ernst,Rosenke Richard,Schairer Alfred
Acquittal Tremmel Heinz.

all are listed as SS Schutze.

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Ernst Mahl (*27.05.1927 in Annahof)
Richard Rosenke (*25.02.1917 Thorn)
Alfred Schairer (*10.09.1926 Magretshausen)
Max Zagler (*09.09.1924 in Linz)

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Re: Parfondruy - Trial Heinrich Goltz

Post by Harro » 05 Nov 2023 22:11

On the 28th of November 1947, Auditeur Militair Closon and his interpreter Albert sat face to face with Kasimir Liebersbach. During the interview te 23-year-old confirmed that his American captors had interrogated him in Stavelot on the 22nd of December: “I had to answer specific questions they posed to me.” Ostuf. Coblenz was also present during the initial interrogations in Stavelot and Liebersbach was clear about what he thought of him:
“Coblenz, who was too cowardly to assume his responsibilities, ranted at us and the Americans, claiming that the statements which he had made and had already been signed by him were accurate. Coblenz spoke English perfectly. He told us that all that remained for us was to sign and then to be shot.”

Though Coblenz had not made these statements in his presence, Lieberbach stressed that the officer did not give the impression that he had signed them under pressure. The 23-year-old suspect admitted that he eventually signed the statement the Americans and Coblenz wanted him to sign:
“It is true that I signed a statement taken by the Americans according to which I confessed to having shot twenty civilians on orders of my platoon leader, Lieutenant [sic] Dröge. I state not to have done this.”

He maintained that he stood by what he had just told Closon earlier during the interview; that Goltz had warned them that no prisoners were to be taken in the course of the offensive and that armed civilians were also to be shot. He added that he felt no animosity towards Goltz and had no reasons for accusing him or for drawing parallels between him and Coblenz: “It is not because I feel a resentment against Coblenz that I make this statement about Goltz.”

See chapter 5.2 of "A week of horror in the Ardennes: an investigation into the war crimes of Schnelle Gruppe Knittel"

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Re: Parfondruy - Trial Heinrich Goltz

Post by Harro » 05 Nov 2023 22:22

Heinz Tremmel from the Fahrradzug, Stabskompanie, SS-PzAA1, was 17 years old in December 1944. During the American attack on Renardmont on the 21st of December, Tremmel found himself cut off from the rest of his outfit:

“In the course of the morning, a neighbour came to warn us that an American patrol was approaching. We prepared our defense, that's when I saw Goltz for the last time who told me to monitor only the west side. I was ordered to stay in position and not to care about what happened around me. Our platoon engaged in combat with the Americans who instead of being a patrol turned out to be very numerous."

It was Company ‘I’ from 3rd Battalion, 117th Infantry-Regiment which had moved down from Moulin de Ruy and advanced on Renardmont by the Chemin de Hècheray. At 11.40hrs they met with German small arms fire when they approached Renardmont.

"At a certain moment I drew fire from the rear. After firing a belt of twenty-five bullets I changed positions. I started firing my machine gun again until it jammed. I was then forced to surrender. The other men in my platoon had managed to pull out and withdraw. I was the only one who was made prisoner.”

The G-2 report of the 117th Infantry Regiment is not very flattering about the boy, describing him as a ‘very unintelligent’ individual and it seems that the confused information he provided was of little use to his captors. The boy told them that his unit consisted of a Fahrradzug, a Nachrichtenzug and a Pionierzug and had been in the area for the past three days, and spoke of an attack with Tiger tanks but he had no idea as to when or where that had occurred.

See chapter 4.1 of: "A Week of Horror in the Ardennes: an investigation into the war crimes of Schnelle Gruppe Knittel"
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Re: Parfondruy - Trial Heinrich Goltz

Post by Harro » 05 Nov 2023 22:32

Max Friedrich Zagler was born in the Austrian city of Linz on the 9th of September 1924 and his home address was given as 3 Zeughausstraße in Braunau am Inn. He worked as a lathe operator before he joined Luftwaffe. In July 1942 he started basic training with Flieger-Regiment 52 in the French village of Villers-Cotterêts. He was then sent to the airfield in Juvincourt-et-Damary near Reims as part of a guard company followed by guard duty at the airfield of the city of Amiens. In March he obtained the rank of ‘Flieger’ and was assigned to a Luftwaffe trucking unit in Brussels for a driving course. In July he was transferred to Antwerp where he remained until February 1944: “I then asked for a transfer to the paratroopers and was assigned to the supply column of the 3. Fallschirmjäger-Division – again as a driver” In April he was transferred to Fallschirm-Artillerie-Regiment 3, the artillery regiment of the division based in Brittany. When Allied forces landed in Normandy his unit was deployed in the Saint-Lô sector before retreating to Germany through Belgium. They reached Cologne on the 4th of September 1944. In November 1944 the division was sent to Düren where it remained until the start of the Ardennes offensive. It was there he said that he was assigned to the 6. Kompanie of the II. Bataillon. On the 15th of December they were moved to Jünkerath:

“During the night from the 16th to the 17th we crossed the Siegfried Line to the west. On the 17th we crossed Holsheim. We then turned around through a forest. We moved into a village where we encountered heavy American artillery fire. A comrade was injured during the night. In the morning of the 18th my unit resumed its journey west. I stayed with my wounded comrade until he had been administered first aid. I hitched a ride on a vehicle that headed west in the hope of rejoining my unit. This vehicle belonged to the Pionierzug of the Stabskompanie, Aufklärungsabteilung, Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler. On this vehicle were two other Fallschirmjäger soldiers who had lost contact with their unit after they had fallen asleep in a hayloft.”

From chapter 3.1
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Post by Harro » 05 Nov 2023 22:39

Franz Scziera was born in the city of Bottrop in the Ruhr industrial area, on the 23rd of January 1926. He lived at 21 Germaniastraße with his parents Franz Scziera and Franziska Scziera-Kodura and his sister Cäzilie. They were what was known as ‘Ruhrpolen’ – migrants from the Polish-speaking eastern provinces of Germany who found work in the rapidly industrialising Ruhr area. Bottrop became a centre of the mining industry and a rail centre and between 1875 and 1915 the population increased tenfold of which forty percent were migrants from the East. Like his father, Franz junior worked as a coal miner until he had to fulfil the mandatory service in the Reichsarbeitsdienst:

“I was never in the Hitlerjugend, but simply in the Jungvolk. Obviously, I automatically became a member of the ‘Deutsche Arbeitsfront’ but I never joined any other party organization. I did not volunteer for the army but was taken from my ‘Arbeitsdienst’ unit on the 15th of May 1944. I was sent to the 4. Kompanie of the Ausbildungs-und-Ersatz-Bataillon of the Leibstandarte SS Adolf Hitler in Berlin. I remained there until the beginning of September 1944 when I was sent to Siegburg where I became part of the Pionierzug of the 4. schwere Kompanie of the Aufklärungsabteilung of the Leibstandarte.”

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Re: Parfondruy - Trial Heinrich Goltz

Post by Harro » 05 Nov 2023 22:44

And so on.

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Re: Parfondruy - Trial Heinrich Goltz

Post by ansata1976 » 26 Dec 2023 14:49

Hi Harro,

maybe you can help with information to other trials in Belgium:

What is the rank and place of birth of:
Josef Hensinger (02.04.1902) sentenced to 25 years imprisonment in Gent 24.10.1949
Walter Brodmeier (25.02.1898) sentenced to 20 years hard labour 1950 in Bruxelles
Wilhelm Drees (18.02.1895) sentenced to 2 years imprisonment 11.08.1948 in Mons
Otto Lehmann (10.09.1907) sentenced to 9 Years imprisonment 29.04.1950 in Mons
Karl Eberhard (04.08.1906) sentenced to 5 Years imprisonment 29.04.1950 in Mons
Bernhard Schubring (09.12.1912) sentenced to death 13.10.1949 in Namur
Josef Limpach (16.12.1908) sentenced to 5 years imprisonment 13.10.1949 in Namur
Walter Lepien (05.06.1910) Sipo/SD Dinant acquittal 13.10.1949 in Namur
Karl Duncker (12.04.1897) sentenced to 13 years hard labour 1950 in Bruxelles
Helmut Hammermüller (?) sentenced to 10 years imprisonment 1950 in Bruxelles
Ernst Bisbort (15.08.1898) sentenced to 10 years imprisonment 1950 in Bruxelles
Hans Radler (22.02.1906) sentenced to 20 years hard labour 1950 in Bruxelles
Hans Holst (08.02.1900) sentenced to 5 years imprisonment 1950 in Bruxelles
Hugo Bugge (02.04.1897) sentenced to 10 years imprisonment 1950 in Bruxelles
Rene Bracke (09.05.1898) sentenced to 12 years imprisonment 11.08.1948 in Mons
Karl Schalles (31.08.1920) sentenced to 12 years imprisonment 11.08.1948 in Mons

What is place of birth of:
Walter Müller (22.08.1900) sentenced to 3 years imprisonment 14.01.1950 in Antwerpen
Kriminalsekretär Otto Spitznagel (12.07.1908) sentenced to 10 years imprisonment 1950 in Bruxelles
SS-Scharführer Rudolf Knauseder (23.02.1913) acquittal 27.03.1950 in Liège
SS-Scharführer Werner Graber (18.05.1909) acquittal 27.03.1950 in Liège


What was the rank of:
Anton Bittner (25.07.1902 in Köln) sentenced to 10 years imprisonment (changed to 20 years imprisonment 16.05.1947 in Liege)

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