Dresden, 1945

[Michael Kenny]

US army land warfare doctrine prevailing during WWII, made hostage taking and disposal "officially sanctioned policy".. as was the nuking of civilians. All officially sanctioned...

Look at the scale of the war crimes instead of trying to fool people into thinking 500 Allied 'war crimes' excuse 6 million German ones.

[Peter]

Just a quick question, Victor Gregg, a British POW held in Dresden when the attack took place, states that incendiary bombs with "jelly like stuff" stuck to men, who consequently burned to death; the jelly like stuff could not be extinguished. Presumably he is referring to Napalm, so my question is, what Napalm bombs did the British use during WW2, and were they used against Dresden? Would such a weapon be used against civilians? Surely not?

What date was this Gregg statement Mark, was it in his 1945 "returning Prisoner of War de-brief report" in the National Archives London or was it made verbally decades later and possibly unwittingly coloured by what he himself had read or seen on movies since. Service personnel statements at the time prove to be good material for research however I find that veterans reports donkeys-years later are usually basically accurate but have small "add-ons" which don't always fit historically.

[sandeepmukherjee196]

US army land warfare doctrine prevailing during WWII, made hostage taking and disposal "officially sanctioned policy".. as was the nuking of civilians. All officially sanctioned...

Look at the scale of the war crimes instead of trying to fool people into thinking 500 Allied 'war crimes' excuse 6 million German ones.

Excuse 6 million.. or even 1 German ones? Where? When?

We are just putting the record straight on the angels...

[LineDoggie]

US army land warfare doctrine prevailing during WWII, made hostage taking and disposal "officially sanctioned policy".. as was the nuking of civilians. All officially sanctioned...

General Orders # please issued by which commanders on which days

[LineDoggie]

We are just putting the record straight on the angels...

Sandeeper Instead of Sarcasm give us references to those orders you say were issued sanctioning US Hostage taking and disposal of hostages

Which combatant command issued them and when Where can transcripts be found?

Also what order specifically says it ok to nuke civilians

[Sid Guttridge]

Hi Sandeep,

You post, "US army land warfare doctrine prevailing during WWII, made hostage taking and disposal "officially sanctioned policy".

You will, of course, be both providing sources for this quote and claim and some examples of it in action? You are obligred to do so on AHF if requested.

Consider this such a second request, as you ignored the first.

Cheers,

Sid

[sandeepmukherjee196]

Hi Sandeep,

You post, "US army land warfare doctrine prevailing during WWII, made hostage taking and disposal "officially sanctioned policy".

You will, of course, be both providing sources for this quote and claim and some examples of it in action? You are obligred to do so on AHF if requested.

Consider this such a second request, as you ignored the first.

Cheers,

Sid

Hi Sid ... which 1st request did I ignore pl? Do quote the post. I logged in now and am seeing these 3 messages (your and another poster's).. Are you referring to these?

Cheers
Sandeep

[sandeepmukherjee196]

We are just putting the record straight on the angels...

Sandeeper Instead of Sarcasm give us references to those orders you say were issued sanctioning US Hostage taking and disposal of hostages

Which combatant command issued them and when Where can transcripts be found?

Also what order specifically says it ok to nuke civilians

Will look up and provide references to US army land warfare doctrine permitting hostage taking.

And for nuking civilians .. are you seriously asking me for a source to show they were done with official sanction? Really? In earnest?

[Hans1906]

When I read this mutual calculation of war crimes here, it makes me sick!

Bean counters from all countries are once again pulling the same old string, one overlooks the current suffering of the civilian population in the current war, how pathetic.

We should be ashamed!

[Hans1906]

In my elementary school years there was a teacher, the lady came from Dresden.
As a young woman, this Frau Thieroff witnessed the destruction of her home town of Dresden herself.
A very appreciated teacher, I remember the lady very well, she kept talking about it.
The lady certainly suffered from PTSD, which was not even known in the 1960s, she and my grandmother often sat together over a cup of tea and the ladies talked.
We children listened and understood little, but the sadness I remember very well, the many tears, the many sorrows.
Normal in our childhood years in the 1960s, nobody forgets something like that...


Hans

[Takao]

Hi Sandeep,

You post, "US army land warfare doctrine prevailing during WWII, made hostage taking and disposal "officially sanctioned policy".

You will, of course, be both providing sources for this quote and claim and some examples of it in action? You are obligred to do so on AHF if requested.

Consider this such a second request, as you ignored the first.

Cheers,

Sid

Coming guys, this is old hat stuff. Quit bickering about it.

See FM 27-10 Rules of Land Warfare(October 1, 1940)
Chapter 11 - Penalties for violations of the laws of war
Section 358 - Reprisals & Section 359 - Hostages

FM 27-10 is readily available on the internet & downloaded free of charge.

Go back & study the Nuremberg Trials.

[Peter]

In my elementary school years there was a teacher, the lady came from Dresden.
As a young woman, this Frau Thieroff witnessed the destruction of her home town of Dresden herself.
A very appreciated teacher, I remember the lady very well, she kept talking about it.
The lady certainly suffered from PTSD, which was not even known in the 1960s, she and my grandmother often sat together over a cup of tea and the ladies talked.
We children listened and understood little, but the sadness I remember very well, the many tears, the many sorrows.
Normal in our childhood years in the 1960s, nobody forgets something like that...

Hans

I believe that its a shared experience amongst the survivors of bombing Hans, whether it is Coventry, Dresden, London, Warsaw, Shanghai, Guernica or any of the other cities, sadly politicians instigate wars and innocents suffer.

[Hans1906]

Peter,

they are just memories of our dear teacher, who experienced all of this herself as a young woman before 1945.
If I don't continue to tell the little, then all of that will be gone very soon, and then forever.

It was all too long ago anyway, but the children listened to the lady, probably still normal back then, who still has the patience today to listen for a long time...


Hans

[LineDoggie]

We are just putting the record straight on the angels...

Sandeeper Instead of Sarcasm give us references to those orders you say were issued sanctioning US Hostage taking and disposal of hostages

Which combatant command issued them and when Where can transcripts be found?

Also what order specifically says it ok to nuke civilians

Will look up and provide references to US army land warfare doctrine permitting hostage taking.

And for nuking civilians .. are you seriously asking me for a source to show they were done with official sanction? Really? In earnest?

So in other words you invented the hostage taking and disposal claim without any proof

What was the Target parameters for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, just to kill civilians?

awaiting your next deflection

[LineDoggie]

When I read this mutual calculation of war crimes here, it makes me sick!

Bean counters from all countries are once again pulling the same old string, one overlooks the current suffering of the civilian population in the current war, how pathetic.

We should be ashamed!

You only need be ashamed if you committed war crimes, which I doubt you did