Number of Victims of the Holocaust - Reference Thread

[Princess Perfume]

(disclosure: My half-siblings are Jewish through their mother)

Another massive blunder by self-appointed Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas. Abbas is 87 and clearly mentally unfit, yet there is no way he can be removed from his position as fantasy president of the fantasy "State of Palestine."
Rarely in modern times has any people suffered from three such disastrous leaders in succession as Amin al-Husseini, Yasser Arafat and Mahmoud Abbas. Between them, for over a century, driven by their obsessive hatred of the Jews, they have led the Palestinians into defeat after self-inflicted defeat. They have rejected every attempt at compromise, every peace plan, every territorial settlement, always holding out for complete victory, until they have led the Palestinians into the complete dead end where they now find themselves.
But the Palestinian people have not only been betrayed by the catastrophic stupidity, corruption and incompetence of their own leaders. They have also been betrayed by their false friends, the "Friends of Palestine", in the western left, who have encouraged them in their delusions by urging continued "resistance" from the safety of their university campuses. True friends of the Palestinians would be urging them to agree to direct talks with Yair Lapid's government to find a territorial settlement while one is still possible.

Lapid is the first since Ehud Barak (1999-2001) who does not come from the conservative-nationalist wing of Israeli politics.

Having said that, Lapid is probably not in the mood right now to believe any claims that the Palestinian Arab Muslim political leadership and militia want to live in peace with the Israei Jewish people he has sworn an oath to protect:

[CogCalgary]

IIRC,CROWCASS was sealed in 1950.

[wm]

Most people don't know history, many barely know ww2 ever existed. It's sufficient to leave the intellectual bubble, mingle with lower-class folks, visit a poor/bad neighborhood to see that.

For people outside Europe, ww2, the Holocaust are abstract terms barely distinguishable from the world of Star Wars.
It's not like in Poland, where history is pre-war and post-war as if a new Christ was born in between.

It's obvious Mr. Abbas said that figuratively because for people like him, the word has little meaning - and in response, the massive Israeli propaganda apparatus was deployed against him.
And politicians seeking influence (like Mr. Lapid) started their maneuvering.

[Princess Perfume]

Once again, Palestinian Muslim leadership and their apologists go out of their way to try and prove that " Judaism is equal with Islam to Muslims" is about as true as "clean Wehrmacht".

[wm]

The Palestinians are not stupid or incompetent.
They are no different from all conquered peoples in Africa, Asia, or Eastern Europe.
It was known even at the very beginning.
In 1923 Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote that it was idiotic to think that the Palestinians would "give up their fatherland for a good railway system."

There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists.
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The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage. And it made no difference whatever whether the colonists behaved decently or not.


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The Pilgrim Fathers, the first real pioneers of North America, were people of the highest morality, who did not want to do harm to anyone, least of all to the Red Indians, and they honestly believed that there was room enough in the prairies both for the Paleface and the Redskin. Yet the native population fought with the same ferocity against the good colonists as against the bad.

This is equally true of the Arabs.
Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages.
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We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico , and their Sioux for their rolling Prairies. To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism.

In return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system.
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It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised.


We cannot offer any adequate compensation to the Palestinian Arabs in return for Palestine. And therefore, there is no likelihood of any voluntary agreement being reached. So that all those who regard such an agreement as a condition sine qua non for Zionism may as well say "non" and withdraw from Zionism.
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Zionist colonisation must either stop, or else proceed regardless of the native population. Which means that it can proceed and develop only under the protection of a power that is independent of the native population – behind an iron wall, which the native population cannot breach.

[Gorque]

Hi wm:

From where did you cull the above quote from.

[Princess Perfume]

If it's a pro-Abbas or Arab source, after what Abbas did i would trust something spoken by Marcel Marceau.

[wm]

From where did you cull the above quote from.

It's The Iron Wall - one of the finest Jewish political writings ever.

[Gorque]

From where did you cull the above quote from.

It's The Iron Wall - one of the finest Jewish political writings ever.

Thank you for the link wm.