6 million killed in holocaust? Maybe more?
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6 million killed in holocaust? Maybe more?
You always hear the number 6 million but is that for everyone or just jews or just the people killed near the end in the gas chambers? What is the official number of total people killed, like political aponents and gays and all the other people the nazis picked on? Also would they all be put in the same places to live and work before being executed? I have heard 11 million, I have heard 13 million but who knows? Maybe my sources arn't that great ;p
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Estimates of the Holocaust death toll aren't based on testimonies.billy beard wrote:i don't think a 'true' figure will ever be reached as looking into the number of people killed usually gives rise to claims of 'holocaust denial'. due to the large amounts of contridictions in peoples testomonies a figure based on 100% fact will never be reached
Death tolls for all mass murders are difficult to make. The estimate for the Holocaust is the most exhaustively researched and supported.
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Numbers of people killed by The Final Solution
Jews 5.6 - 6.25 m, Soviet pow 3m, Catholics(Polish) 3m, Serbs 700k, Gypies222k-250k, anti-nazi germans 80k, handicapped germans 70k, homosexual 12k, Jehova Witness 2.5k.
These figures are from "The Holocaust Chronicle",Publications Internation, LTD.2002 764pp, An excellelent book on the subject. Bought it at Waldenbooks on sale $19.99. note:excellent pictures 1000's
Honestly I used to think that the six million jews was probably an overestimate since most books on the subject have been written and published by Jewish owned or influenced press, This book is that way too, but the conciseness and accuracy and completeness of the book is very impressive. It convinced me and I have read thousands and own hundreds of books about WWII.
These figures are from "The Holocaust Chronicle",Publications Internation, LTD.2002 764pp, An excellelent book on the subject. Bought it at Waldenbooks on sale $19.99. note:excellent pictures 1000's
Honestly I used to think that the six million jews was probably an overestimate since most books on the subject have been written and published by Jewish owned or influenced press, This book is that way too, but the conciseness and accuracy and completeness of the book is very impressive. It convinced me and I have read thousands and own hundreds of books about WWII.
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Re: Numbers of people killed by The Final Solution
I find those figures questionable since homosexuals were imprisoned as criminals for violating Section 175 of the penal code against sodomy dating from 1871 and still on the books until about 1969.ChristopherPerrien wrote:homosexual 12k, Jehova Witness 2.5k
As far as the JWs they were imprisoned as draft resisters, though some were martyred because they would not work for the state during the war.
Also, I'm not sure it is fair to include Soviet POWs, who were treated badly but not any worse than German POWs in tender Soviet hands.

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Re: Numbers of people killed by The Final Solution
THey were not imprisoned. They were put into conconcentration camps.Scott Smith wrote:I find those figures questionable since homosexuals were imprisoned as criminals for violating Section 175 of the penal code against sodomy dating from 1871 and still on the books until about 1969.ChristopherPerrien wrote:homosexual 12k, Jehova Witness 2.5k
Many people died in the camps.
The 12 thousand figure is in line with scholarship.
Reudiger Lautmann in _Gay Prisoners in Concentration Camps Compared with Jehovah's Witnesses and Political Criminals_ estimates a death rate for homosexuals of just over 50% in the camps, versus about 35% for Jehovah's Witnesses.
And some died as a result of the conditions in the camps, the responsibility of Nazi Germany.As far as the JWs they were imprisoned as draft resisters, though some were martyred because they would not work for the state during the war.
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i disagree with your comment charles about the estimated death tolls being exhaustively researched and supported. the amount of people slandered for asking basic questions to what are reasonably questions is unbelievable [and no im not a holocaust denier] but some of the things we are told and lead to believe are simply ludicrous and when this happens people will naturally ask further questions,i fail to see the point of telling half-truths and lies [in some cases] to exaggerate what is already a horrific period in historyDeath tolls for all mass murders are difficult to make. The estimate for the Holocaust is the most exhaustively researched and supported
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Re: Numbers of people killed by The Final Solution
Maybe, but this doesn't necessarily mean they were murdered, which is what the "toll" figures imply. And mostly in wartime besides. Wartime is hazardous by nature.Charles Bunch wrote:And some died as a result of the conditions in the camps, the responsibility of Nazi Germany.

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Re: Numbers of people killed by The Final Solution
Scott Smith wrote:Maybe, but this doesn't necessarily mean they were murdered, which is what the "toll" figures imply.Charles Bunch wrote:And some died as a result of the conditions in the camps, the responsibility of Nazi Germany.
No maybe about it! Historical fact.
And it most certainly was murder. To keep people in conditions which are known to be causing deaths is an act of murder.
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billy beard wrote:i disagree with your comment charles about the estimated death tolls being exhaustively researched and supported.Death tolls for all mass murders are difficult to make. The estimate for the Holocaust is the most exhaustively researched and supported
You can disagree all you want, but that is the opinion of people who study such things.
Perhaps you can cite a mass murder with better research into the death toll?
the amount of people slandered for asking basic questions to what are reasonably questions is unbelievable
Whether they are being slandered or not is a matter of opinion.
And the questions are usually pretty transparent, questions never asked about any other historical event.
But merely declaring that you find something ludicrous is your right, but hardly a discussion of history.[and no im not a holocaust denier] but some of the things we are told and lead to believe are simply ludicrous and when this happens people will naturally ask further questions,
I fail to see why you would make such a silly statement.i fail to see the point of telling half-truths and lies [in some cases] to exaggerate what is already a horrific period in history
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