So mr.Lenin declared armed resistance against the British, He called them enemies. He used a word war in this context
problem with this....
Let's have a quick summary of pertinent parts of Soviet international relations in the 20th century at this point...
The Bolsheviks believed that there should be NO international treaties between nations. These meant the new Bolshevik State would be adhering to all the old trappings of Colonialism and Imperialism. The ONLY agreements the State should make with its neighbours are those made on the basis of mutual assistence between class equals to futher the Revolution. Therefore, on the 8th of November Lenin did THREE things publically - 1/ he repudiated ALL Russia's international debts and loans, as these were Imperialist chains on the Russian people, 2/ he published and repudiated all the Tsar's secret treaties with the other Entente
powers about the dismemberment of the Central Power's empires after victory, and the ceding of Bessarabia etc. to Russia from Britain - this was done to embarass the Entente Powers because they were publically condemning the Revolution - and 3/...he OFFICIALLY repudiated ALL international agreements and treaties made by the Tsar and his government. I shall repeat that for clarification - he repudiated ALL international agreements made by the Tsar and the Tsar's government...
on that date.
No, Sergey - the Bolsheviks did NOT say in 1917 they would accept and abide by the Hague Conventions, they very deliberately withdrew from them on the 8th of November, exactly as they withdrew on ALL the OTHER "Tsarist treaties" they repudiated on that date! THAT is why you couldn't find the date I requested several times, the date in 1917 YOU said they agreed to abide by them! That date and event simply wasn't there for you to find.
Let's move forward, shall we? To 1941. July 17th, 1941 to be precise. What major event happened on that
day? Well, no earth-shattering battle...but on that date Stalin offered directly
to Hitler that BOTH nations should abide by the Hague Conventions - JUST like David said that TWO combatants, either ONE of which wasn't a signatory or High Contracting Power, need to do IF the Conventions don't apply because both nations are signatories. And what happened? Hitler told Stalin where to go
Sergey, if you're not aware of that idiom - it means he told Stalin exactly where he could stick his "mutual agreement".Therefore there was NO agreement between the two, and the Hague Convention did NOT begin to apply to Russia then either
.... Further to this - some time later the ICRC, the International Committee of the Red Cross, were asked if Russia's offering
to abide by the Hague Conventions gave her protection; the ICRC ruled - No. Why? BECAUSE it was offered DIRECT, and NOT via the Convention Monitors in Holland. You see - the Hague Conventions ARE more specific on all this than you think, and there WAS a monitoring body for signatures, agreements, declarations of war and conditional declarations; everything had to move around via them
to meet the terms of the Conventions. IF Stalin had offered to Hitler to abide by the Conventions VIA Holland...then Russia WOULD have had the protection of the Convention! But Stalin didn't
he tried to sort it directly, thus bypassing all the Convention's provisions - the idiot.
And THIS is why your "So mr.Lenin declared armed resistance against the British, He called them enemies. He used a word war in this context" has ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE...because he DIDN'T issue this Conditional Declaration of war via Holland as the Convention specifically says
...so exactly the same ICRC judgement applies; he just made a speech as far as the Convention monitors were concerned. IF Lenin had set this out VIA HOLLAND as the Conventions said to do - then it WOULD have been a proper Conditional Declaration and Russia WOULD have had the protection of the Conventions - but he didn't
. Another idiotic move.
Sergey, did you not at any point wonder why
there was so much fuss about Russian POWs in the Reich and German POWs in Russia during WWII? Russia REFUSED to accept the 1929 Geneva Convention on the treatment of prisoners of war, specifically because it meant letting the Red Cross inspect the Gulag camps. Instead, Stalin announced that Russia would abide by the POW regulations in the Hague Convention of 1899 ONLY - note that for clarification - ONLY those parts of the Conventions that applied to POWs, NOT the whole body of the Conventions!!!
...and as because of this NO element of International Law applied to the situation between Germany and the USSR, the Germans acted on Customary Law, the next rung down, and treated their Russian POWs in the same way i.e. NO ICRC inspection, and forced labour....
So - on THREE separate and major occasions the Bolsheviks not JUST messed up on claiming the protection of the Hague Conventions by doing simple tasks IN THE PRESCRIBED WAY SET OUT IN THE CONVENTIONS (They did this TWICE, remember?), and
in 1917 they had very specifically WITHDRAWN from it, along with all other international agreements from the Tsarist Era! First they pulled out
of the Convention, and messed up their attempts to opt back in
It's a bit conclusive, isn't it? They KNEW they didn't have its protection because they had repudiated
it....so attempted to make individual recognition agreements, just like David said was necessary, remember?....except they messed THAT up too.
And finally, as if THAT isn't conclusive enough - remember the 7th of March 1955? And "what happened on that
date?" Well, as I'm sure you know, the USSR refused to ratify the ENTIRE Geneva Agreement of 1949, because of all the provisions over the treatment of civilians, forced labour etc. and of course POWs, all the parts that ran counter to how they ran their own nation and the handling of POWs. However, finally on the 7th of March 1955 after a lot of international pressure was brought to bear....the USSR ratified NOT the FULL 1949 Geneva Convention but something else
; they ratified something that would give them the protection of the internationally-recognised Laws of War that were buried in the Geneva Agreement....but without all the awkward stuff
They at last ratified the 1899 and 1907 Hague Conventions! Thus formally acknowledging that no matter what else they had tried to claim over the years, they had NOT had its protection up until that date, the 7th of March NINETEEN FIFTY-FIVE.
Sergey, I'm afraid your argument - all eight pages aboove - was doomed from the start by the Bolsheviks themselves. They hung you out to dry. Don't start threads like this unless you know ALL the pertinent information. I did this stuff at uni 25 years ago - you
need to go and complete your education on your own
country's history before you accuse other countries of wrongdoing.