snpol wrote: ↑
02 Jan 2023 12:54
1) I repeat it again - it's apolitical forum and discussion of current events is not allowed.
However, it is possible to make abstract remarks related to many armed conflicts.
- lies, propaganda are common during war time. Any reports that are not confirmed by independent sources should be viewed with grain of salt and are no more than allegations
- use of human shields is not rare and the side that uses it as a rule tries to find false justifications
- the advancing side is interesting in evacuation of civilians as soon as possible to use overwhelming firepower freely.
- attempts to evacuate encircled troops via humanitarian corridors also are not rare. Shelling in this case is a common solution.
2) You have made an interesting claim - that Finland provided the humanitarian corridor through the lake of Ladoga. Would you be so kind to back the claim by reference to reputable source?
Well, you said:
I reckon that right now the siege of this type (in any modern war) would be regarded as a war crime.
I took the Siege of Mariupol as an example what is considered a war crime in modern war. Hard to find any other example in modern times.
Then you said:
As you mentioned the siege of Mariupol then while democratically elected Finnish government didn't propose use of (the Red Cross backed) humanitarian corridors then by contrast humanitarian corridors were actively used in Mariupol and there was no cooperation directly between Moscow and Kyiv.
I showed that Russia bombarded the humanitarian corridors during the Siege of Mariupol.
There is a very good article in the Journal of the Association for Military History in Finland, 25/2006, called The Siege of Leningrad: the Aims of Germany and Finland
by Mauno Jokipii and Ohto Manninen. Unfortunately the English summary is very short.
http://sshs.fi/pdf/Sotahistoriallinen%2 ... 202006.pdf
According to the article Zhukov had people shot trying to leave the town (page 281). In July 1942 Zhdanov had all people evacuated not important for the war effort, often by force, because people thought it would not be better elsewhere. In the latter half of 1942 the mortality rate in Leningrad was already normal (page 285). So, the answer to your original question:
Could Finland establish humanitarian corridors to evacuate children, women, the old, the disabled and the sick from Leningrad?
Is probably no, because it would not have been allowed by the Soviet officials and the citizens of Leningrad didn't want to move. Only time it would have any effect would have been the harsh winter of 1941-42, when the food situation also in Finland was critical.