As I understand Russian court established that starvation of civilian population was a part of the strategy, that it was intentional. First of all, German government should be blamed. However, the Finnish government also was responsible, apparently in much lesser degree. I suppose that the Finnish government was well aware about the main idea of the siege (the starvation of civilian population).
Leningrad siege War crimes or not?
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I don't know of any rule that forbade starvation during sieges pre-1949.
As recently as World War II, it was still understood that a belligerent could lay siege to a place and drive fleeing civilians back to areas controlled by the enemy in order to put pressure on available food and other resources.
Indeed, in the so-called High Command Case, a US post-war military commission acquitted Field Marshall Wilhelm von Leeb for his role in the brutal siege of Leningrad (September 1941–January 27, 1944) on this rationale. The opinion states:
A belligerent commander may lawfully lay siege to a place controlled by the enemy and endeavor by a process of isolation to cause its surrender. The propriety of attempting to reduce it by starvation is not questioned. Hence the cutting off every source of sustenance from without is deemed legitimate.
The judges concluded, “We might wish the law were otherwise, but we must administer it as we find it.”
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We all know it was a kangaroo court to defend Russian war crimes in Ukraine. Of course saying so would be illegal in Russia.snpol wrote: ↑05 Jan 2023 17:53As I understand Russian court established that starvation of civilian population was a part of the strategy, that it was intentional. First of all, German government should be blamed. However, the Finnish government also was responsible, apparently in much lesser degree. I suppose that the Finnish government was well aware about the main idea of the siege (the starvation of civilian population).
The civilian population of Leningrad was the responsibility of the Soviet Union only. If the mortality of the Jewish population was higher than other groups, then it could be a genocide.
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Dear mr.Koivisto, you again try to provoke me to discuss current events. I have much to say in this context but I could be banned and further discussion would be impossible.Seppo Koivisto wrote: ↑06 Jan 2023 14:54We all know it was a kangaroo court to defend Russian war crimes in Ukraine. Of course saying so would be illegal in Russia.snpol wrote: ↑05 Jan 2023 17:53As I understand Russian court established that starvation of civilian population was a part of the strategy, that it was intentional. First of all, German government should be blamed. However, the Finnish government also was responsible, apparently in much lesser degree. I suppose that the Finnish government was well aware about the main idea of the siege (the starvation of civilian population).
I would like to make some abstract remarks.
- number of allegations about war crimes as a rule is much higher than their real number. It's a common situation.
- false reports about war crimes including intentional ones sometimes with horrible details are not rare.
- there is a universal principle - innocent until proven guilty.
- national courts frequently don't prosecute war crimes committed by own nationals or punishment is symbolic.
This or that way, Finnish government was well aware that the objective of the siege was starvation of civilian population. As I see you don't deny it.Seppo Koivisto wrote: ↑06 Jan 2023 14:54The civilian population of Leningrad was the responsibility of the Soviet Union only. If the mortality of the Jewish population was higher than other groups, then it could be a genocide.
Jews who died from starvation in Leningrad should be regarded as victims of the Holocaust. If you agree with it then you agree that the Finnish government took part in the Holocaust.