Denier? That’s someone else’s false-dichotomy. I don’t have a need to believe or disbelieve. I am a skeptic, however.
A somewhat less than honest statement. Those of us who have come to know the Reverend more closely are aware that he so badly wants to believe in certain things that he switches his brain off.
It seems possible that Höß with his insecticide could have crudely gassed some Russian POWs who were unfit for hard labor, but I’m not seeing much in the way of plausible engineering for a massive Jewish extermination program.
If he’s interested in the “engineering” of the whole thing, why hasn’t the Reverend read the works of Pressac and van Pelt on this subject? He might have learned a lot more from them about the comparatively unimportant details that interest him than from Butz’ screed and other sectarian bibles.
However, I’ll leave that to more serious historians.
Good idea. Pressac and van Pelt have already taken care of it, as the Reverend would know if he didn’t piously and uncritically adhere to the “Journal of Historical Review” and like-minded pamphlets.
All I say is that people were NOT gassed by diesel exhaust. Ten years from now the idea will probably seem as cuckoo in the mainstream as death-by-steam does now.
I’ve got news for you, Reverend: nobody other than you and like-minded morons ever cared much about whether the Treblinka gassing engine was a diesel engine or a gasoline engine, for obvious reasons. Witnesses may have described it as a diesel engine or those who interrogated them may have understood the witnesses’ depositions in this sense, but even if the witnesses or their interrogators were mistaken in this respect, that would only mean that the engine used was actually a gasoline engine burning diesel fuel or gasoline. Which means that all you have to say is much a do about nothing.
Okay, Hans, so on the one hand the Sonderkommando were all being bumped-off because they knew too much, so that explains why witnesses who have actually seen a gaschamber are as scarce as hen’s teeth. (The corollary is of course that those who say there were NO gaschambers at the camp are prosecuted as hateful subversives, or worse, and they are not witnesses of course.)
But then, a few star-witnesses like Müller and Tauber were Sonderkommando who worked for two-years in the Kremas as expert coke-stokers, except that the Nazis forgot to kill them off when they had the chance, despite no further need for their noble services at the end of 1944.
And, in a mighty historical vein, those intrepid Sonderkommando did their grim work gassing and burning fellow Jews so that they could Bear Witness for-us-all about NS-Verbrechen!
Exactly, Reverend. You are beginning to get the picture – except that your martyrs “prosecuted as hateful subversives” are in actual fact nothing other than ideologically motivated liars who, like star witness Thies Christophersen, never got close to seeing what they claim wasn’t there. You also forgot to mention that the depositions of the
Sonderkommando survivors are corroborated by the depositions of a total of 69 eyewitnesses from the ranks of the perpetrators, by physical evidence and by the documents of the Auschwitz-Birkenau
Bauleitung.
I don’t know about you, but despite a great reluctance to place myself in someone else’s ethical shoes, I am absolutely certain that they could gas me all they wanted to but I wouldn’t be doing it to my fellows for a crust of bread, "credible witness" that I am or not.
Every man is different, and how does Smith know how he would react in a similar situation? Has he ever experienced any? And then, is anybody saying that the
Sonderkommando survivors were paradigms of virtue? They were key witnesses, that’s all.
Of course, if all they were doing was body-disposal and were not part of a murder program, well that is work that absolutely needs to be done, given the realities of a dishonorable wartime captivity. There’s plenty that is not too savory, but let’s not distort the truth, either, shall we…
Exactly. Let’s be blind, deaf and dumb like the Reverend and believe that certain things we wouldn’t like to have happened never happened, whatever the evidence to the contrary, simply because we wouldn’t like them to have happened. That’s what Faith is all about.
Keep the Faith fellow revisionists. The Nazis and the SS were the good guys--but the anti-Nazis and the anti-revisionists dare not admit it for fear of losing their fabulous, ill gotten gains from the war.
“Hoaxbuster” Friedrich Paul Berg on the Codoh discussion forum.
http://www.codoh.org/dcforum/DCForumID9/143.html#10