A german speaks

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A german speaks

Post by deutschearmee » 18 Mar 2008 22:00

... please watch this video and comment .

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It is the true . The germans arent able to say what they think , yet .
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Re: A german speaks

Post by Penn44 » 18 Mar 2008 23:35

deutschearmee wrote:... please watch this video and comment .

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It is the true . The germans arent able to say what they think , yet .
I think the German government believes Germans lost that particular right after you killed six million Jews.

Your call for comments, i.e., opinions, I believe aren't allowed by forum rules.

Fortunately, my comment was based on a fact, and not an opinion.

Moderators, please feel free to lock this thread at your earliest convenience.

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Re: A german speaks

Post by JamesL » 18 Mar 2008 23:58

deutschearmee - I think you are treading on thin ice. No Holocaust denial is tolerated on this website.

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Re: A german speaks

Post by Acolyte » 19 Mar 2008 00:03

Penn44 wrote:I think the German government believes Germans lost that particular right after you killed six million Jews.
I will buy that line of reasoning the moment I hear about legislation prohibiting the denial of Communist atrocities and mass murder. But I'm not holding my breath.

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Re: A german speaks

Post by Penn44 » 19 Mar 2008 00:33

Acolyte wrote:
Penn44 wrote:I think the German government believes Germans lost that particular right after you killed six million Jews.
I will buy that line of reasoning the moment I hear about legislation prohibiting the denial of Communist atrocities and mass murder. But I'm not holding my breath.
What exactly are you referring to? Be specific.

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Re: A german speaks

Post by deutschearmee » 19 Mar 2008 00:52

The problem isnt the holocaust . The problem is , that germans couldnt say what they want without pressure or get arresting in prison , from the government .!.
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Re: A german speaks

Post by Penn44 » 19 Mar 2008 01:04

deutschearmee wrote:The problem isnt the holocaust . The problem is , that germans couldnt say what they want without pressure or get arresting in prison , from the government .!.
Have your lawyer tell us when they cart you off to prison.

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Re: A german speaks

Post by Ahf » 19 Mar 2008 01:09

Penn44 wrote:
deutschearmee wrote:The problem isnt the holocaust . The problem is , that germans couldnt say what they want without pressure or get arresting in prison , from the government .!.
Have your lawyer tell us when they cart you off to prison.

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We can send him one of those West Wall fruitcakes with a file embedded in it. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: A german speaks

Post by sobel » 19 Mar 2008 02:09

Having watched to video several times, I think this is actually less about denial, more a case of a person in present day "Democratic" Germany being able to express a view which does not follow "Official Government doctrine",

just a thought

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Re: A german speaks

Post by Ahf » 19 Mar 2008 02:30

sobel wrote:Having watched to video several times, I think this is actually less about denial, more a case of a person in present day "Democratic" Germany being able to express a view which does not follow "Official Government doctrine",

just a thought

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And the view he's not allowed to express is Holocaust denial. No one is fooled by this tactic.

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Re: A german speaks

Post by Penn44 » 19 Mar 2008 03:15

Where are the moderators when you need them to shut down an opinion thread?

The AHF threat alarm system must be broken. Normally, whenever I post, several moderators suddenly appear from nowhere to see what I have posted. I've posted several times now, and the forum should have at least gone to at least DELETECON 2, and still not a single moderator.

Such posts as this lead to no furtherance of our knowledge of WWII, and it only serves as chum for all sorts of nasty creatures who come up for a bite at it.

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Re: A german speaks

Post by Acolyte » 19 Mar 2008 03:43

Penn44 wrote:
Acolyte wrote:
Penn44 wrote:I think the German government believes Germans lost that particular right after you killed six million Jews.
I will buy that line of reasoning the moment I hear about legislation prohibiting the denial of Communist atrocities and mass murder. But I'm not holding my breath.
What exactly are you referring to? Be specific.

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I wouldn't object to such 'hate speech' laws as long as such legislation, be it German or not, prohibited the denial of ALL historical acts of genocide and mass murder. But as far as I know this is not the case.

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Re: A german speaks

Post by Penn44 » 19 Mar 2008 03:49

Acolyte wrote:I wouldn't object to such 'hate speech' laws as long as such legislation, be it German or not, prohibited the denial of ALL historical acts of genocide and mass murder. But as far as I know this is not the case.
The denial of the Holocaust has particular and significant political and moral ramifications for Germany whereas denial of other genocides doesn't.

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Re: A german speaks

Post by deutschearmee » 19 Mar 2008 03:49

i agree acolyte . you can contrast that to different topics . who knows for what you will be next arrested when you say something wrong and the government dont like it .
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Re: A german speaks

Post by Penn44 » 19 Mar 2008 04:01

deutschearmee wrote:i agree acolyte . you can contrast that to different topics . who knows for what you will be next arrested when you say something wrong and the government dont like it .
That is a strawman, deutschearmee. The German government is focused on protecting against denial of the Holocaust, not other genocides.

Deutschearmee, since you are such a hero for free speech, I hope you will provide a clear and unequivocal answer. Do you deny the Holocaust or not?

Have the courage of the Wehrmacht soldaten in making your answer.

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