"Other" War Crimes -- POW Lynchings

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related links on Lynching
August 2, 1944
http://www.democraticunderground.com/di ... 102x780584
August 9, 1944
http://forum.armyairforces.com/August-9 ... spx#247908

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More links
http://www.executedtoday.com/2007/11/21 ... ed-airman/
http://forum.armyairforces.com/lynching ... 88893.aspx

[JustinYT]

The idea doesn't surprise me, from what I understand American an British pilots were among some of the most hated Allied soldiers. I've heard that after the war German people would string piano wire across roads that were often traveled by US Air Force and R.A.F pilots as revenge for the terror bombings.

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http://ww2talk.com/forums/topic/36770-t ... f154-as-b/

JAck Goldstein was Jacob Goldstein
http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casua ... N,%20JACOB
Photo/memorial http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... d=18601794&

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Killing in Pullach Germany 1944
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 3&t=209986

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related link
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12232

[Kauko]

I noticed that in some US "Review and Recommendations" papers (e.g. US case 12-2422-1, page 3 "For the Defense") reference is made to a speech of Dr. Goebbels which was apparently broadcast via radio, inciting the populace to violence against allied fliers. I found the text of his infamous editorial which was printed in the newspapers on 28/29 May 1944, but so far I did not find the text of this radio address.

Now just yesterday I hit upon a documentary made by Mitteldeutscher Rundfunk.



At about 25 minutes into the video, a sound bit is given which seems to be the voice of Goebbels.

The text is:
„Es ist nun vorgekommen, dass in einzelnen Dörfern oder Städten die Bevölkerung gegen solche terroristischen Jagdflieger zur Selbsthilfe geschritten ist. Sie hat sie erschlagen (Johlen, Applaus) oder ihnen die Hälse durchgeschnitten und ähnliches. Wir vergießen deshalb keine Krokodilstränen, und die das getan haben, werden deshalb nicht aufs Schafott geführt; so verrückt sind wir nicht…“

My translation:
“It so happened that in a few villages or towns the population turned to self-help against such terroristic fighter pilots. They battered them to death (cheering, applause) or cut their throats, or similar. We’re not shedding false tears over that, and those who did this will not be led to the scaffold for it; we’re not as harebrained as that…”

My question: Is anybody able to confirm whether this is Goebbels' voice? Can someone identify the speech (date, place) and give a book reference?

Thanks for listening.

Kauko

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P-51 pilot mIA believed lynched Dresden Germany 1945
http://fw190.hobbyvista.com/kamenz.htm
http://www.americanairmuseum.com/person/58234
viewtopic.php?t=141835
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.c ... d=56284962
https://magazine.calpoly.edu/summer-201 ... -righetti/
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2 ... ghetti.htm
https://www.fieldsofhonor-database.com/ ... ti-elwyn-g

[wbell]

As an ex-military pilot, I'd expect to be executed if I bailed-out over hostile territory under these circumstances. I think it's human nature to want to kill those responsible for bombing civilians and killing many innocents.

[David Thompson]

"Human nature" is the reason societies have laws. See the discussion in the "Eye for an Eye" thread at /viewtopic.php?f=6&t=65306

[wbell]

...The P-51, markedly superior to German fighter planes, achieved air superiority over the Reich...

The P-51 Mustang was a great aircraft, but in many ways the Focke-Wulf 190 was on par*** and at times superior to the P-51 (especially below 20,000 feet). The Focke-Wulf TA151 was the variant of the FW190 that was designed specifically as a high altitude interceptor.

Factors such as: quantity of ammunition available, initial position, humidity/wing loading, available fuel capacity (weight) and most importantly Pilot ability / experience were considerations on every encounter. Certainly the P-51 was not markedly superior in every case. There were many good aircraft; any of whom could win the day or be overwhelmed.

*** Comment by Chuck Yeager after having an opportunity to fly a FW190.

[David Thompson]

wbell -- Whatever your opinion may be of the P-51, the topic under discussion here is "Other" War Crimes -- POW Lynchings. Please stay on it.

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[wm]

As an ex-military pilot, I'd expect to be executed if I bailed-out over hostile territory under these circumstances. I think it's human nature to want to kill those responsible for bombing civilians and killing many innocents.

You will not find the word "innocents" in the Laws of War. There were only unlawfully killed there.

[David Thompson]

A second off-topic post from wbell was removed pursuant to the topicality warning at viewtopic.php?p=2106756#p2106756

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Feb 3, 1945 B-17 shot down
https://100thbg.com/index.php?option=co ... Itemid=334

1 POW Lynching report
https://www.facebook.com/mighty8thmuseu ... 0828180797