For Tarpon and Kaschner CONTINUED

[Scott Smith]

Hi Roberto,

I see you are again trotting out Mr. Stephen, esquire, attorney from Down Under, whose keyboard has waxed silent after our last debate. That means I must have really annoyed you today, so I won't bother quoting Mr. Kaschner's admonition about the ad hominem attacks. In any case, Walter is certainly here to speak for himself. :roll: :roll:

I've already expressed my position on Mr. Berg's statement that you are so strangely fond of quoting, as if you had the magic pea.

His views are basically that the world owes the Germans (and even Hitler) a great debt, because in fighting the Soviets to a near standstill World War Three was thus prevented. I'm not sure I agree with that view, however. As you know, I'm softer on Communism than most. Expropriating-the-Expropriators is a good idea in principle but that's about it. Also, I think Marx's linear theory of history, while interesting, contains serious flaws.

Now, were the Nazis and the SS the Good Guys? Well, SOME of them were. I think John Demjanjuk was a Good Guy, for example, UNLESS it can be proved that he had involvement in killing Jews. Of course, I don't automatically assume that the Nazis and the SS were the BAD Guys, either. That's prejudice, one would think.

I do think Mr. Berg is a brilliant man and he is a pretty-nice guy. I met him once in person when he was passing through town. Here are some of his Journal of Historical Review papers:

Berg, Friedrich Paul. "The diesel gas chambers: Myth within a myth." Spring, 1984; vol. 5 no. 1: p. 15.

Berg, Friedrich Paul. "The German delousing chambers." Spring, 1986; vol. 7 no. 1: p. 73.

Berg, Friedrich Paul. "Typhus and the Jews.” Winter, 1988; vol. 08 no. 4: p. 433.

Btw, the article on Churchill that I referred to earlier and found interesting is in the Atlantic Monthly for April, 2002. It is not online yet but it should be shortly.

Best Regards,
Scott

[Roberto]

<<I see you are again trotting out Mr. Stephen, esquire, attorney from Down Under, whose keyboard has waxed silent after our last debate. That means I must have really annoyed you today,>>

As you well know, old pal, I like to quote Stephen&#8217;s very accurate assessment whenever confronted with a newcomer who, unaware of our long story, thinks I&#8217;m being too tough on poor Smith.

<<so I won't bother quoting Mr. Kaschner's admonition about the ad hominem attacks.>>

Please do. Exact wording and link to the corresponding thread. In return, I promise to make our audience acquainted with what Mr. Kaschner has come to think of Smith&#8217;s arguments on certain issues.

<<I've already expressed my position on Mr. Berg's statement that you are so strangely fond of quoting, as if you had the magic pea.>>

Why do you think I&#8217;m so fond of that statement, my friend? Could it be because it makes clear that what &#8220;Revisionists&#8221; adhere to is a Faith rather than reason and that said Faith is centred around whitewashing the National Socialist regime?

<<His views are basically that the world owes the Germans (and even Hitler) a great debt, because in fighting the Soviets to a near standstill World War Three was thus prevented.>>

Only that? I hope good old Fritz is not reading it. Why, you have completely forgotten his colourful statements about them bloody Jews, which are the ones I like best. Care to give our audience a more accurate portrait of the man&#8217;s views and attitudes, or shall I provide some good old quotes of his from which it becomes clear what the fellow is all about and that Smith&#8217;s above description is somewhat less than honest? I'll settle for the latter. See below.

<<Now, were the Nazis and the SS the Good Guys? Well, SOME of them were. I think John Demjanjuk was a Good Guy, for example, UNLESS it can be proved that he had involvement in killing Jews. Of course, I don't automatically assume that the Nazis and the SS were the BAD Guys, either. That's prejudice, one would think.>>

Thanks, buddy. Still somewhat less than honest and with the very beating around the bush I told you to avoid, but not too bad for a start. There were some other questions in my last post, however, that Smith hasn&#8217;t yet addressed:

And you also see Hitler as &#8220;a great statesman who gambled and failed&#8221;, don&#8217;t you? Or, as a peer of yours so keenly put it, &#8220;about the best thing that could have happened to Germany&#8221; . Something like this:

http://www.hitler.org/posters/lebedeut.jpg

Care to give our audience the benefit of your views on the Führer, Mr. Smith? I&#8217;m not sure whether your statement was &#8220;a great statesman who gambled and failed&#8221; or &#8220;a remarkable statesman who gambled and lost&#8221;, by the way. Please forgive me if I should have misquoted you.

<<I do think Mr. Berg is a brilliant man and he is a pretty-nice guy. I met him once in person when he was passing through town.>>

What, Berg in Scottsdale, Arizona? I thought the guy lived in New Jersey. What was he doing in Arizona? Did he make the long trip just to visit one of his most faithful disciples?

<<Here are some of his Journal of Historical Review papers:

Berg, Friedrich Paul. "The diesel gas chambers: Myth within a myth. " Spring, 1984; vol. 5 no. 1: p. 15.

Berg, Friedrich Paul. "The German delousing chambers. " Spring, 1986; vol. 7 no. 1: p. 73.

Berg, Friedrich Paul. "Typhus and the Jews. &#8221; Winter, 1988; vol. 08 no. 4: p. 433.>>

And here are some discussions of the bottomless nonsense contained in the above and other &#8220;Revisionist&#8221; articles:

Friedrich Berg & the Diesel Issue, by Michael P. Stein
http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniqu ... el-01.html

A Usenet article by Scott Mullins:
http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/amer ... diesel.001

A Usenet article by our fellow poster Michael Mills: http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/camps/ftp ... senet.9806

Pat Buchanan and the Holocaust, by Jamie McCarthy
http://www.holocaust-history.org/~jamie/buchanan/

Body Disposal at Auschwitz: The End of Holocaust Denial, by John C. Zimmermann
http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschw ... -disposal/

The following threads of the old forum:

Declaration of War II
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... =162.topic

Answers to Roberto&#8217;s Diesel Gaschamber Questions
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... =280.topic

Diesel Gaschamber II
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... =111.topic

Diesel Gaschamber III
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... =191.topic

Who is more credible Scott or Roberto?
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... D=66.topic

DG IV: You asked for it...
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... D=32.topic

Diesel Gaschamber VI &#8211; Questions
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... =213.topic

Diesel Engines and Carbon Monoxide
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... =175.topic

GAS CHAMBERS?
http://pub3.ezboard.com/fskalmanforumfr ... 1&stop=480
(see the exchange following my post # 1755 on that thread)

Last but not least, the following link leads to a number of colorful statements by Friedrich Paul Berg himself:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/ ... .friedrich

Here&#8217;s one that I consider particularly instructive and amusing:

These creatures--Shein and McCarthy, Keren and Stein--are essentially the
same as an earlier generation who did commit far worse atrocities than
anything the Jews in their wildest imagination have ever accused the
Nazi-Germans of committing. Those creatures turned entire cities into
crematory ovens and roasted alive hundreds of thousands of totally
innocent women and children. They are hypocrites at best. They are
certainly hatemongers. They are apologists for the worst criminals
and war crimes in the entire history of the world.

The fact that most of these creatures are Jewish is no coincidence. The
Holocaust hoax is an essential feature of modern Jewish identity just as
the imagined persecutions of Jews by Pharoah and others was an essential
feature to earlier Jewish generations. In other words, there is an
enormous genetic component to the Holocaust hoax. It is essentially a
Jewish hoax that has been carefully taylored to appeal to unsuspecting
goyim. McCarthy and Mcvay and Mullins are typical goyim fools who
continue to let themselves be taken in.

Source of quote:

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/b/ ... /berg.0794

<<Btw, the article on Churchill that I referred to earlier and found interesting is in the Atlantic Monthly for April, 2002. It is not online yet but it should be shortly.>>

Eagerly waiting for it, old pal.

&#8220;Keep the Faith fellow revisionists. The Nazis and the SS were the good guys--but the anti-Nazis and the anti-revisionists dare not admit it for fear of losing their fabulous, ill gotten gains from the war.&#8221;

&#8220;Hoaxbuster&#8221; Friedrich Paul Berg on the Codoh discussion forum.
http://www.codoh.org/dcforum/DCForumID9/143.html#10

[Scott Smith]

Medorjurgen wrote:

++so I won't bother quoting Mr. Kaschner's admonition about the ad hominem attacks.++

<<Please do. Exact wording and link to the corresponding thread. In return, I promise to make our audience acquainted with what Mr. Kaschner has come to think of Smith&#8217;s arguments on certain issues.>>

Yawn. That's what you said the last time and I had to drag you kicking and screaming to it. That same damn passage.

Only then, I had to go search for it; now I know right where it is. I can't believe you are that stupid. Are you a liar, then? I don't think so. Just a big bluffer. Or a card!

Actually, I think I can see your tactic. You are trying to make me mad, which seldom ever happens as I am not easily provoked. It's just the Internet after all. No need to take it too seriously, Roberto. But this time your tactics just leave me chuckling.

You see, Roberto, it's like this: Walter seldom agrees with me. But he does it with so much class that one can hardly say no to him. A good diplomat, I would think. Anyway, do have a good evening.

[Tarpon27]

You too, Scott, per the good evening, and would it be out of line to ask that the infamous diesel argument is not raised on *this* thread, or do you wish to prove your critics correct?

Because..."yawn"...it gets a bit tiresome, on *every* thread. You got Berg here, and I imagine, from prior experience, it is just a matter of time...

Regards,

Mark

[Scott Smith]

Hi Mark,

I don't know what more can be said about the diesels. Either my arguments have been convincing or they haven't. At the very least I believe that I have raised doubt and encouraged questioning of those who have made that claim. I still have more to post on the Krasnodar/Kharkov trials when I get around to it, however.

Best Regards,
Scott

P.S. Here's a Berg essay that I forgot, just for the sake of completeness.
http://www.codoh.org/revisionist/tr02patdiesel.html

[Roberto]

Medorjurgen wrote:

++so I won't bother quoting Mr. Kaschner's admonition about the ad hominem attacks.++

<<Please do. Exact wording and link to the corresponding thread. In return, I promise to make our audience acquainted with what Mr. Kaschner has come to think of Smith’s arguments on certain issues.>>

<<Yawn. That's what you said the last time and I had to drag you kicking and screaming to it. That same damn passage.

Only then, I had to go search for it; now I know right where it is. I can't believe you are that stupid. Are you a liar, then? I don't think so. Just a big bluffer. Or a card!>>

The wording of my statement that Smith is commenting on clearly shows that I’m aware of Mr. Kaschner’s “admonition about the ad hominem attacks” that Smith is referring to and have no problem with Smith’s showing it, whereas Smith may have a problem with my showing what one of our most distinguished posters thinks of his arguments on certain issues. Smith is thus being disingenuous if not dishonest. That being so, he is hereby invited to demonstrate that his contention of having had to “drag” me to Mr. Kaschner’s admonition “kicking and screaming” is not just another of his lies.

<<Actually, I think I can see your tactic. You are trying to make me mad, which seldom ever happens as I am not easily provoked. It's just the Internet after all. No need to take it too seriously, Roberto. But this time your tactics just leave me chuckling.>>

Smith’s chuckle is somewhat less than convincing. His smiley stance sounds like he’s grinning furiously in order to keep himself from biting into the carpet.

<<You see, Roberto, it's like this: Walter seldom agrees with me. But he does it with so much class that one can hardly say no to him. A good diplomat, I would think.>>

Unlike me, Mr. Kaschner is too much a gentleman to address the muddy issues of Smith’s stance and also a good diplomat. I admittedly never managed to be diplomatic. On the contrary, I seem to have a talent for driving certain people mad. And I enjoy every minute of it.

<<Anyway, do have a good evening.>>

Same to you, old pal. Don’t stare at the computer screen all night, it’s just the Internet after all.

<<At the very least I believe that I have raised doubt and encouraged questioning of those who have made that claim.>>

Well, my friend, apart from having failed to convince with your “technical arguments” you still haven’t shown us what the relevance of that “claim” is supposed to be and where it came from in the first place in regard to Treblinka extermination camp. From the Krasnodar/Kharkov trials to Treblinka it’s quite a stretch.