The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

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Post by wm » 16 Aug 2022, 17:30

Please, indoctrination notes from a far-right propaganda site.
Plus anti-Muslim, anti-Christian hate speech.


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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

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Post by Princess Perfume » 16 Aug 2022, 19:48

wm wrote:
16 Aug 2022, 17:30
Please, indoctrination notes from a far-right propaganda site.
Plus anti-Muslim, anti-Christian hate speech.
Thanks for proving the author right. Also "far right" would apply for you to me as a member of the ALP, i guess.

I am a survivor of CHILD ABUSE and it for THAT reason i find Muhammed's child bride thing utterly perverse.

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Post by wm » 16 Aug 2022, 21:11

I have 21,000 upvotes, 2 per post, on the far right Instapundit. Is this good enough?

The Aisha bst again. Aisha was one of the most ardent followers of Muhammad. She and some others were the first pillars of Islam.

And Google "age of consent through ages" - usually 10 to 12.
There is no age of consent in the Bible.
In the Talmud, it's 3 years.
A girl who is three years and one day old, whose father arranged her betrothal, is betrothed through intercourse.
Mishnah Niddah 5:4

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Post by Princess Perfume » 16 Aug 2022, 21:25

I will concede that the ungovernability, corruption, and authoritarianism of most countries of the modern Islamic world is a problem that Muslims will have to solve for themselves.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

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Post by CogCalgary » 22 Aug 2022, 02:52

wm wrote:
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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

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Post by CogCalgary » 22 Aug 2022, 03:04

"Sept 9 1936,Musa Alami asked for not only money and arms but also for assistance in the form of technical advisors.
These would help to carry out more efficient attacks on the pipeline from Iraq to Haifa and would arrange for the water supply of Tel Aviv to be "contaminated".
On 26 September,Ciano told Alami that Italy would be willing to provide the necessary "material".
The request for men would have to wait for a later date once the possibility of instructing Libyan non commissioned officers to carry out these tasks had been examined.
Mussolini personally approved this response."

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Post by CogCalgary » 22 Aug 2022, 03:10

I don't recall any mention of this in the Ciano diary.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

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Post by Texas Jäger » 28 Aug 2022, 08:21

CogCalgary wrote:
22 Aug 2022, 02:52
wm wrote:
01 Jul 2022, 21:47
mufti denies charges.jpg
Can’t get the pdf to work

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Post by CogCalgary » 28 Aug 2022, 12:12

Will see if a mod can fix it.

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The best part is at the end:
The period during which Italian assistance reached its peak was between the autumn of 1936 and the spring of 1938. This period has been defined by one historian as the 'cease-fire' episode of the revolt. By the time the rebellion reached its climax in the summer of 1938 Italian aid had already been stopped.
We can not say how influential Italian financial support was, since we do not know how much money the Mufti was able to raise from other sources or how he used the funds that were at his disposal. Perhaps if the arms, which were stored for the Mufti in Taranto, had found their way to Palestine, Mussolini and Ciano would have been able to boast a substantial contribution to the rebellion.

But Mussolini seems to have cared little for the success of the revolt in Palestine. He did not mention the struggle of the Palestinian Arabs in his public speeches as Hitler had done on more than one occasion. Contrary to the Civil War in Spain, where Mussolini felt that Fascist prestige was at stake, Italian involvement in Palestine never crossed the threshold of armed military intervention.

While Italy was, as Stefano Fabei notes with pride, the first European power to offer assistance to the Palestinian Arabs in their struggle against the British and Zionists, its motives were self-serving.
The regime's support for the Arabs in Palestine was governed by, and subordinate to, wider considerations of Italian policy. The Duce's main interests in the Middle East were derived from imperial competition; he sought to weaken and manoeuvre Britain as well as to increase Italy's influence.
Ironically, it was probably apprehension about Mussolini's desire to increase his influence in the Middle East that prevented King Ibn Sa'ud from collaborating with the plan to smuggle Italian arms to Palestine.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

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Post by CogCalgary » 28 Aug 2022, 17:01

wm wrote:
28 Aug 2022, 14:23
The best part is at the end:
The period during which Italian assistance reached its peak was between the autumn of 1936 and the spring of 1938. This period has been defined by one historian as the 'cease-fire' episode of the revolt. By the time the rebellion reached its climax in the summer of 1938 Italian aid had already been stopped.
We can not say how influential Italian financial support was, since we do not know how much money the Mufti was able to raise from other sources or how he used the funds that were at his disposal. Perhaps if the arms, which were stored for the Mufti in Taranto, had found their way to Palestine, Mussolini and Ciano would have been able to boast a substantial contribution to the rebellion.

But Mussolini seems to have cared little for the success of the revolt in Palestine. He did not mention the struggle of the Palestinian Arabs in his public speeches as Hitler had done on more than one occasion. Contrary to the Civil War in Spain, where Mussolini felt that Fascist prestige was at stake, Italian involvement in Palestine never crossed the threshold of armed military intervention.

While Italy was, as Stefano Fabei notes with pride, the first European power to offer assistance to the Palestinian Arabs in their struggle against the British and Zionists, its motives were self-serving.
The regime's support for the Arabs in Palestine was governed by, and subordinate to, wider considerations of Italian policy. The Duce's main interests in the Middle East were derived from imperial competition; he sought to weaken and manoeuvre Britain as well as to increase Italy's influence.
Ironically, it was probably apprehension about Mussolini's desire to increase his influence in the Middle East that prevented King Ibn Sa'ud from collaborating with the plan to smuggle Italian arms to Palestine.
IIRC,in 1933 the Italians armed Yemeni rebels in the Hadramuth Valley.This did not please the king.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

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Post by SloveneLiberal » 09 Sep 2022, 21:37

CogCalgary thank you for your link. On page 12 we can read about Mufti's plans in 1936 for big Arab/islamic state which would include Syria, Iraq, Palestine, Transjordan and Arabian Peninsula and how he was seeking support from Mussolini for this long-term plan. In 1943 when speaking as propagandist for Third Reich Mufti still had pretty much the same goals yet now more connected with antisemitism of National socialists, how muslims and specially Arabs should unite with the struggle of Nazi Germany and drive Jews out of their lands.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

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Post by CogCalgary » 28 Feb 2023, 02:04

https://www.academia.edu/31849296/HOLOC ... al_Husayni ?
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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

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Post by CogCalgary » 28 Feb 2023, 02:11

The author quotes Husayni 1999.
At reference unit 725,he claims that Husayni "arranged parachute drops and sabotage missions against British targets in Syria,Iraq,and Palestine."

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