The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by michael mills » 30 Mar 2023 05:27

Mussolini was involved in the Shoah,,,
That is simply mendacious. The historical fact is that so long as he was in power, up to July 1943, he did not give any orders for the killing of Jews in Italy, or in any territory under Italian control, and he did not permit Italian troops or police to kill Jews or to hand Jews over to German authorities.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by Princess Perfume » 30 Mar 2023 13:45

Mussolini could also speak English. Imagine if an ASB gave Hitler and the top German political and Military figures full fluency in English, French, Polish, all the Soviet languages, the widely used languages in China etc. at say midnight on 31-12-32?

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by CogCalgary » 02 Apr 2023 05:25

michael mills wrote:
30 Mar 2023 05:23
Let's put this brouhaha about the four parachutists who tried to poison the water to bed once and for all.

There were four parachutists dropped in an isolated region of British-ruled Palestine. They were exiles from Palestine and Iraq, people who had previously been involved in anti-British activities before and during the war, and had the ostensible mission of fomenting a general uprising of the Arab population of Palestine and thereby cause a diversion of British troops to the area.

The parachutists were almost immediately captured by the Transjordan Frontier Force, an Arab unit that like the Arab Legion operated under British command. The fact is that the Arab population of Palestine remained very quiescent during the war, and there was no local support for the four parachutists, which is probably why they were so quickly captured.

The whole concept of parachuting agents into Palestine to foment an uprising was almost certainly the brainchild of the German military, and Al-Husayni's involvement in it would have been very limited, perhaps just suggesting who should be selected as agents. Throughout the war he was essentially a servant of the German Government, following its orders rather than exercising any sort of major influence. Even his main role in propagandising among Bosnian Muslims for recruitment to the Waffen SS Handjar Division was something that he was asked to do by the German Government; the idea for form ing that unit had come from the Bosnian Muslim community leaders themselves, not from Al-Husayni.
How did the Germans fly four paras over the Jericho area in 1944?Story is standard for the theater.Pure BS.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by CogCalgary » 02 Apr 2023 05:32

michael mills wrote:
30 Mar 2023 05:27
Mussolini was involved in the Shoah,,,
That is simply mendacious. The historical fact is that so long as he was in power, up to July 1943, he did not give any orders for the killing of Jews in Italy, or in any territory under Italian control, and he did not permit Italian troops or police to kill Jews or to hand Jews over to German authorities.
Working people to death carrying stones in the desert heat and not feeding them enough works really well.
You can see in various examples that the Italians used back channel communications.
And yes Musso knew about Giado.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by Princess Perfume » 02 Apr 2023 15:08

Enver Hoxha actually has helped Albania by breaking clerico-Islam's hold over the country. Albania being secularised today is actually a positive thing. breaking Arab, Asian, African, and Persian clerico-Islam would also be positive for those many countries as well.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by wm » 02 Apr 2023 16:25

Was it worth it? 47 years of totalitarian communism just to defeat a political opponent.
Without communism, Albania probably would be as wealthy as Spain or at least Greece today.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by Princess Perfume » 02 Apr 2023 16:32

clerico-Islam is no better than the clerico-Christian reactionism of Tiso's Slovak State.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by Princess Perfume » 02 Apr 2023 17:22

I willl just repeat that my problem is with the actions and behaviour of Islamic clerics from Gaza to Lahore and not lay Muslims. Reactionary clerics are the problem that needs to be fixed

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by wm » 02 Apr 2023 20:15

Really? I though Arab countries were mostly kingdoms.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by CogCalgary » 02 Apr 2023 21:25

wm wrote:
02 Apr 2023 20:15
Really? I though Arab countries were mostly kingdoms.
Iran being a big exception.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by Princess Perfume » 02 Apr 2023 21:32

the clerico-religious culture in most Muslim countries across the globe is bad even if the countries are not directly politically ruled by clerics.

Reactionary clerics having a lot of social power can stil majorly f*ck people over.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by CogCalgary » 02 Apr 2023 21:37

wm wrote:
27 Mar 2023 22:47
I suppose it's easy to poison water in a Bollywood movie, but in real life, the dilution equation alone ensures the impossibility of poisoning for long a well - there is simply too much water in it.
In the case of a river or water supply, it's just straight forget it.

It would an entirely different story if a biological agent was used.
Not that large but everybody that drank from that source would be affected.Pinterest.
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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by Kurtsuljo » 03 Apr 2023 00:46

Princess Perfume wrote:
02 Apr 2023 15:08
Enver Hoxha actually has helped Albania by breaking clerico-Islam's hold over the country. Albania being secularised today is actually a positive thing. breaking Arab, Asian, African, and Persian clerico-Islam would also be positive for those many countries as well.
Than imposed state atheism of course :roll: please bring back the so called "Arab, Asian, African, and Persian clerico-Islam" it was much much MUCH better.

Anyways i don't want to cause the topic to go more off topic.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by wm » 03 Apr 2023 01:04

I visited almost all Arab countries (actually, some of them are my favorite destinations), and my impression is their citizens have no problem with their religion and actually really like it.
But some or many of them have problems with their rulers, but they can't do anything about it (because of the security forces and torture chambers).
But today, even in Saudi Arabia, women can live more or less live normal lives, and some of them even dress in a fashion leaving little to the imagination.

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Re: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem-- A role in the Holocaust?

Post by wm » 03 Apr 2023 01:07

CogCalgary wrote:
02 Apr 2023 21:37
Not that large but everybody that drank from that source would be affected.Pinterest.
Biological warfare isn't that easy and requires extensive research and preparation. Germs aren't that cooperative, actually, and have lots of quirks.
It is hardly believable that Fascist Italy invested so much in a plan that was totally unrelated to Mussolini's war goals.

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