War Crime Trials Poland

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

Post by michalg » 23 Jun 2020 09:42

George_W wrote:
27 Jan 2019 20:09
I only know that they were members of Gestapo in Lublin - Edward vel Eduard Grajewski, Jan Grodek (born 18/06/1920) and Wilhelm Häle (born 03/09/1890 in Dresden - Blasewitz) and were sentenced in Poland to 10 and 15 years (as far i remember Grajewski - 15 years, Grodek - 10 years and Häle - 10 or 15 years).

George
Hello George,

I'm looking for any informaton about Edward Jan Grajewski from Lublin (born in Grubno in 1924). I've only hint, that he was tried in 1946 in Wroclaw for SS belonging.
Could you check your sourses about him?

Regards
Michael

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

Post by PM24 » 30 Aug 2020 15:57

ansata1976 wrote:
08 Nov 2017 12:58
Arthur Müller
25.04.1913 in Tomaszow Mazowiecki
Bahnschutz in Skarzysku-Kamiennej
arrested 28.01.1948
death sentence 28.10.1948 in Radom
executed 22.02.1949 in Radom


What is the source of those data?
Where can I find such data?
It seems to be my great-grandfather.
And the only thing that was known so far in my family is from stories of my great-grandmother, that said he was taken one day and she never saw him again.

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

Post by ansata1976 » 30 Aug 2020 16:13

My sources are Polish newspapers and the IPN. For further information I think the IPN in Warsaw can help you.

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

Post by PM24 » 30 Aug 2020 16:21

ansata1976 wrote:
30 Aug 2020 16:13
My sources are Polish newspapers and the IPN. For further information I think the IPN in Warsaw can help you.
Thank you very much for fast reply!
I will contact IPN in Warsaw.

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

Post by ansata1976 » 30 Aug 2020 16:27

When I can find the article from the newspaper I will post it.

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

Post by PM24 » 30 Aug 2020 16:42

ansata1976 wrote:
30 Aug 2020 16:27
When I can find the article from the newspaper I will post it.
That would be really amazing!!
Thank you very very much your help!

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

Post by ansata1976 » 30 Aug 2020 18:19

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

Post by PM24 » 30 Aug 2020 20:43

ansata1976 wrote:
30 Aug 2020 18:19
Arthur Müller-min.jpg
WOW!!
In a very bad way, Wow!
As much as I wanted to find out something more about my ancestor...
...this is a tough pill to swallow!
The knowledge that your great-grandfather was a sadistic person and behaving cruel towards the polish people.

Thank you very much for your help in finding those informations.

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Re: War Crime Trials Poland

Post by history1 » 31 Aug 2020 07:03

PM24 wrote:
30 Aug 2020 20:43
ansata1976 wrote:
30 Aug 2020 18:19
Arthur Müller-min.jpg
WOW!!
In a very bad way, Wow!
As much as I wanted to find out something more about my ancestor...
...this is a tough pill to swallow!
The knowledge that your great-grandfather was a sadistic person and behaving cruel towards the polish people.

Thank you very much for your help in finding those informations.
You better take the informations from the propaganda newspapers at this time and the infos from the IPN with a grain of salt. One can´t fabricate a death sentence with proper informations , eg. that it was prohibted to stroll around/enter the railway grounds without train ticket. Such regulation is even nowadays in most trains stations valid!
And how reliable is the info that A. Müller did shot two Polish railway workers? One of unknown personality (where there no witnesses, then how can they accuse him that he killed an unknown person?) and allegedly a man with the last name Bilski. It´s very likely that A. Müller did catch them red-handed when planting an IED in the railway tracks and they tried to escape. Of course such info get´s not mentioned as it was justify the use of the gun by A. Müller.
And Kowalewski did most likely belong to the partisans (according the newspaper info), what is also illegal. And that he didn´t return from the KL Groß Rosen doesn´t proof neither anything, lots of former Polish citizens (DP did choose not to return to their home and started a new life elsewhere). I knew several Polish women who did work as laborer in my hometown and choosed not tor return to the communist/bolshewik post WWII Poland occupied by Soviet Forces.
And when Edmund Kowalewski complained that neither his brother nor mother did return he should have asked himself how wise it is to join the partisans, and to murder Poles working for the occupators or German officials, or German unarmed settlers, with them defenseless women and children.
And isn´t it strange that the Arolsen Achives do not hold a single archival document for a man with the last name "Ciuk"? But dozens of "Chuk"´s. But that doesn´t really surprise me as also the name of the concentration camp Groß Rosen is misspelled.
BTW, Polish archives do also hold documents how Poles from the German minority were persecuted and murdered BEFORE WWII, eg. for asking Poles (make advertisings) to work in Germany. They also vanished without traces, until their corpses got found coincidentally.
And you yourself a favor and get "Wysiedlenia, wypedzenia i uciezki 1939-1959 - Atlas ziem Polski" by the Polish Righteous among the Nations Wladyslaw Bartoszewski.

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