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Re: Trials in Russia

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Post by ansata1976 » 02 Dec 2017, 22:49

I am interested in more information about the three Sobibor trials in USSR (names of defendants, date of trials, sentences, date of birth and death) :

A few of the Ukrainian guards who served at Sobibor were brought to trial in the Soviet Union, such as
B. Bielakow
M. Matwijenko / Matwiejenko
Ivan Nikiforow
W. Podienko
Fedor Tichonowski
Emanuel Schultz
Iwan Zajcew
They were found guilty and executed for their crimes.

In April 1963, at a court in Kiev ten former Ukrainian guards were found guilty and executed, one was sentenced to fifteen years in prison.

A third trial was held in Kiev in June 1965, where three former death camp guards from Sobibor and Belzec were executed by firing squad.

Ivan Kozlowski - 25 years imprisonment
Iwan Tieriechow - 15 years imprisonment

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Re: Trials in Russia

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Post by Sergey Romanov » 10 Dec 2017, 01:33

GregSingh wrote:I found some info about this trial in Russian. They have Oberleutnant Kulenkampf as a commander of the penal detachment - командир карательного отряда, обер-лейтенант Куленкамп. As there is no letter ü in Cyrillic we can't be sure about spelling...
Actually there is.
Kulenkamp: Куленкамп
Külenkamp: Кюленкамп


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Re: Trials in Russia

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Post by history1 » 13 Dec 2017, 06:58

But the letter "ю = ju [German] = yu [English]" is NOT an "ü", Sergey.

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Post by Sergey Romanov » 25 Dec 2017, 10:12

history1 wrote:But the letter "ю = ju [German] = yu [English]" is NOT an "ü", Sergey.
ROTFL. You have no idea, do you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu_(Cyrillic)
The sound [y], like ⟨u⟩ in French and ⟨ü⟩ in German, may also be approximated by the letter ⟨ю⟩.

[...]

After a consonant, no distinct [j] sound is pronounced, but the consonant is softened.
Next time please make sure you know what you are writing about.

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Re: Trials in Russia

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Post by history1 » 27 Dec 2017, 21:37

Sergey Romanov wrote:
history1 wrote:But the letter "ю = ju [German] = yu [English]" is NOT an "ü", Sergey.
ROTFL. You have no idea, do you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu_(Cyrillic)
The sound [y], like ⟨u⟩ in French and ⟨ü⟩ in German, may also be approximated by the letter ⟨ю⟩.
[...]
After a consonant, no distinct [j] sound is pronounced, but the consonant is softened.
Next time please make sure you know what you are writing about.
Same to you, my friend! From your quote " The sound [y], like ⟨u⟩ in French and ⟨ü⟩ in German, may also be APPROXIMATED by the letter ⟨ю⟩."
Since when is "approximated" the same as "it is" ??? I wonder about your imprecision in this case. Really.

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Re: Trials in Russia

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Post by Sergey Romanov » 05 Jan 2018, 17:45

history1 wrote:
Sergey Romanov wrote:
history1 wrote:But the letter "ю = ju [German] = yu [English]" is NOT an "ü", Sergey.
ROTFL. You have no idea, do you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yu_(Cyrillic)
The sound [y], like ⟨u⟩ in French and ⟨ü⟩ in German, may also be approximated by the letter ⟨ю⟩.
[...]
After a consonant, no distinct [j] sound is pronounced, but the consonant is softened.
Next time please make sure you know what you are writing about.
Same to you, my friend! From your quote " The sound [y], like ⟨u⟩ in French and ⟨ü⟩ in German, may also be APPROXIMATED by the letter ⟨ю⟩."
Since when is "approximated" the same as "it is" ??? I wonder about your imprecision in this case. Really.
Don't be ridiculous. Almost all sounds of one language can only be "approximated" by the letters of another language. By your logic there is no "r" in Russian, because it sounds almost completely different and, well, because the alphabet is Cyrillic in the first place (so there literally is no "r" in Russian). But in the context of the discussion such a claim is pure nonsense.

As was your claim about ü.

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Re: Trials in Russia

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Post by history1 » 05 Jan 2018, 20:35

Take the "p" instead and you found the cyrillic "r". :-)

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Post by Sergey Romanov » 07 Jan 2018, 14:22

history1 wrote:Take the "p" instead and you found the cyrillic "r". :-)
Reading comprehension problems again?
By your logic there is no "r" in Russian, because it sounds almost completely different and, well, because the alphabet is Cyrillic in the first place

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Post by history1 » 08 Jan 2018, 18:14

Looking for troubles/arguments? Why you do not so on twitter?

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Post by Sergey Romanov » 09 Jan 2018, 23:45

history1 wrote:Looking for troubles/arguments?
You sure appear to.

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Re: Trials in Russia

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Post by ansata1976 » 05 Apr 2018, 02:54

What is the correct date of birth and place of birth of:

Werner Rosenbaum (1914 in Germany) Kapo in KZ Stutthof death sentence 05.04.1945 (executed 22.05.1945)
Ernst Hess (1910 in Germany) Kapo in KZ Stutthof death sentence 05.04.1945 (executed 22.05.1945)
Wilhelm Schulz (1906 im Kreis Ortelsburg) Lagerführer des Frauen-Außenlagers Bruss-Sophienwalde (KZ Stutthof ) executed 11.04.1946

What was the rank of:

Georg Thiede (27.05.1913 in Danzig) 1944 and 1945 guard KZ Stutthof (Frauenlager) death sentence 19.10.1946 (executed 01.12.1946)

In which place was the trial of Rosenbaum, Hess, Schulz and Thiede?

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Post by ansata1976 » 15 Apr 2018, 10:47

What was the fate of:

Elisabeth Höhn
13.06.1922 in Hindenburg
KZ Ravensbrück
Captured by Soviet forces. Fate unknown

Ruth Schubert
23.02.1903 in Leuchten
KZ Gross-Rosen
Captured by Soviet forces. Fate unknown

Christa Hempel
(?)
KZ Flossenbürg
Captured by Soviet forces. Fate unknown

What is the correct date + place of birth, date of execution of:

Elisabeth Seeling
1916 in Germany
von September 1942 bis Juli 1944 war sie Leiterin von vier Frauen-Konzentrationslagern im Gebiet Kaunas
arrested August 1944 in Kaunas
death sentence 18.10.1944 in Kaunas
executed by the Russians

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Re: Trials in Russia

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Post by ansata1976 » 17 Apr 2018, 20:56

I am interested in more information about:

Franz Schweinberger
1904
head of a Gendarmerie post
arresting + transporting residents for forced labor to Germany
sentenced to death 31.10.1946 (executed 30.01.1947 in Vilnius)

Wilfried Hinkelstein
1925 in Fulda
Leutnant
sentenced to death 30.10.1946 (executed 21.01.1947)

Julius Belke
1912 in Pomerania
Gendarm
participated in the arrest, leaving the population for forced labor to
Germany
sentenced to 20 years hard labour 28.09.1946

Hans Leuch
1920 in Frankfurt am Main
Leutnant
Sentenced to death 14.08.1945 (executed 21.11.1945)

Martin Arthur Hoppert
1905 in Chemnitz
Oberwachtmeister
sentence?

Otto Karl Bahl
1899 in Grimen
Staff Feldwebel, German 3rd Police Battalion
Sentence?

Gerhard Quaker
1910
Gendarm
participated in arrest during transportation of residents for forced labor to Germany by subtracting livestock and food.
sentenced to death 30.11.1946 (executed 17.02.1947 in Vilnius)

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Re: Trials in Russia

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Post by ansata1976 » 25 Apr 2018, 20:48

I am interested in more information about:

Fritz Jörn
born ??? in ???
SS-Hauptsturmführer, commander forced labor camp Koldychevo during the period from 1942 to 1944.
identified in a POW camp in Kursk was sentenced to death and hanged.
Execution date ??

Paul Burkert
born ??? in ???
1939-1940 guard Flossenbürg
1941-1945 guard Ravensbrück
01.04.1943-04.05.1945 Ravensbrück subcamp Karlshagen
Death sentence
Executed (date unknown) by the Russians

Anton Gruber
born ??? in ???
01.05.1943-01.04.1945 staff Ravensbrück subcamp Karlshagen
Death sentence (sentenced after 29.05.1946)
executed (date unknown) by the Russians

Ruth Schubert
23.03.1903 in Leuchten
Staff Groß-Rosen
Captured by Soviet forces
fate unknown

Christa Hempel
born ???
Staff Flossenbürg
Captured by Soviet forces
fate unknown

Elisabeth Höhn
13.06.1922 in Hindenburg
Staff Ravensbrück
Captured by Soviet forces
fate unknown

Emanuel Schultz
born ???
volksdeutsch
Staff Sobibor
executed after the war(date unknown) in Russia

Pinnemann
born ???
volksdeutsch
Guard in Treblinka, SS Wachmann
death sentence and executed (date unknown)in Russia

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Re: Trials in Russia

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Post by Puck » 29 Apr 2018, 15:09

ansata1976 wrote:I am interested in more information about:

Fritz Jörn
born ??? in ???
SS-Hauptsturmführer, commander forced labor camp Koldychevo during the period from 1942 to 1944.
identified in a POW camp in Kursk was sentenced to death and hanged.
Execution date ??
Fritz Jörn was probably just a Hauptscharführer
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/kol ... ation-camp

This is one of the cases where I stopped any further research after reading detail about the camp in other sources..

Regards Puck

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