witness wrote:Of course it has meaning.Again this trial was not about the War per se. It was about the war crimes and first and foremost the crimes against humanity,
thats the thing. it was a war of social engineering, the term 'crimes against humanity' was a retroactive conception, this is what the goal was for the trials to oppose, which lay in the ideology.
witness wrote:Not true. Those who issued the criminal orders and those who obeyed them were to be responsible.
And this is not true that everybody was guitly of this in the German Army.
There were high ranking officers who didn't follow such orders .
of course, then the fact to be followed or not by the officers is seen from an individual moral perspective, their entire empire wouldn't have functioned nor the purpose of their ideology. this would of course be in the interest of the opposing sides and is a ridiclous thing to pre-suppose to be assumed by the individuals in question. from the views of National Socialism, the criminals may very well have been pacifists who were "humanists", and they were in effect commiting "crimes against civilization", by not weeding out 'asocials' and allowing universal welfare amongst people not of equal value.
Of course in the human society which is run by reasonable people "individual moral perspective " is taken into consideration.
In the rogue societies ( the Nazi Germany as a point in the case ) it is not so.
In such a rogue state every possible crime can be declared as a virtue and a virtue a crime depending on how it fits with the needs of those who have power at the moment.I agree with you on this.
However when the rulers of the rogue states are driven out of the power positions ,the state of affairs , under which all humanist values of the individuals making up these societies are respected anew ,is bound to come true.It is simply in human nature to rebel against totalitarian
methods of imposing values of the state on every individual.
(In the case of Guderian he didn't obey the criminal order by having decided not to distribute it to his troops.)
There are universal values which we all share as humans .
Very simple ones such as unacceptance of murdering women ,children and elderly when waging warfare. And no matter if a particular ideology
declares some other values such as class (Communism ) or race (Nazism ) to be supreme, all the same these universal human values would not be easily uprooted.This is exactly the reason why the crimes of NKVD or Einsatzgruppen were concealed from the general public regardless of the extreme indoctrination of the populations both in Germany and Russia.
a 'crime against humanity' can be said to be allowing people to freely breed
Again this is the position of one particular extreme ideology ( Nazism ) as for example killing of all "class enemies " is the position of the extreme communist fractions and at a certain point in history the official Communist position ( hense the shooting of the Czar family when all the family members were murdered also including women kids and elderly .And again this crime was concealed from public in Russia)
But these extreme positons are quite in odds with the universal values we all share ( see above )
So Guderian is being not some strange example of an extreme individualism in the National-Socialist society but rather an example of the normal reaction of a normal person to the criminal execces of the regime he happened to be part of.