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Re: Treblinka Perpetrators

Post by Ponury » 13 Sep 2015 21:53

Kurt Franz certainly was married, but do not associate the information to be somewhere from when. Certainly the picture of the 1994 or 1996 after being released from prison (life imprisonment, released from cancer in 1993) with his wife.

I read a lot of your time on these criminals ... visited the camp in 2012, I became interested in those crew. Mattes, mint, Kurt Franz, Franz Stangl, Imirfield Eberl ... what a creature!'

This white sympathetic uniform Franz Stangl is reportedly some to the cavalry SS or riding? Apparently, then in 1943 he was already withdrawn?

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Post by Paul Lantos » 14 Sep 2015 14:07

I've been surprised that so little testimony from the Treblinka and other AR-related trials is accessible in English. In contrast to the IMT trials, where you can find full transcripts, I've never been able to find a comprehensive translation of the Treblinka trials, Oberhauser trial, or Sobibor trial.

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Post by michael mills » 16 Sep 2015 03:05

This appears to be a photo of the young Kurt Franz with his wife.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... 0franz.jpg

The reason I thought he was a repressed homosexual was that in all the material that I had read about him there was never any mention of his being married or having any sort of conventional family life, unlike a number of other famous perpetrators, and in those same sources there was a constant tacit implication that the luridly cruel actions attributed to him were driven by some sort of sexual deviation.

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Re: Treblinka Perpetrators

Post by Paul Lantos » 16 Sep 2015 18:17

michael mills wrote:in those same sources there was a constant tacit implication that the luridly cruel actions attributed to him were driven by some sort of sexual deviation.
Yeah, you may be referring to Gitta Sereny's discussions of this in Into that Darkness. I forget which survivor it was, probably Richard Glazar, who talked about the sexual nature of many of Franz's and others' cruelties. Things like whipping their bare bottoms and having the dog attack the genitals. But it strikes me from my readings that this was pretty widespread at many of the death camps as well as execution sites, and extended to ogling or abusing the naked Jewish girls before they were gassed or shot.

Hard to call this homosexual though in a conventional sense -- I mean so much of the behavior was about power and humiliation, not sex, and the environment was so distorted that there were really no normal bearings.

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Post by trespasser07 » 28 Feb 2017 12:43

Can someone ID the people in the photo in the below link, is it Kurt Bolender in the middle?

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh/multim ... _1_web.jpg
"We believe in what we do!" - written in Friedrich Rainer's Guestbook by Odilo Globocnik in April 1943.

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Post by Sergey Romanov » 28 Feb 2017 12:53

michael mills wrote:This appears to be a photo of the young Kurt Franz with his wife.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... 0franz.jpg

The reason I thought he was a repressed homosexual was that in all the material that I had read about him there was never any mention of his being married or having any sort of conventional family life, unlike a number of other famous perpetrators, and in those same sources there was a constant tacit implication that the luridly cruel actions attributed to him were driven by some sort of sexual deviation.
IIRC one or two survivors did accuse Lalka of homosexuality.

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Post by Colon » 03 Jun 2017 14:56

here is an Interview with Franz in german (at 12min) you can Youtube translate in engl via Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRS3aB6m1rY

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Post by Paul Lantos » 05 Jun 2017 23:57

Wow... how do you translate a video with no subtitles?

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Post by history1 » 06 Jun 2017 06:11

Paul Lantos wrote:Wow... how do you translate a video with no subtitles?
Do simultaneous translators have subtitles?

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Re: Treblinka Perpetrators

Post by Colon » 06 Jun 2017 08:40

I see that this clip has no subtitles! sorry

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Post by Paul Lantos » 07 Jun 2017 20:48

No prob - I wonder if there's a transcript somewhere.

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Re: Treblinka Perpetrators

Post by trespasser07 » 14 Jun 2017 19:54

I think it is the interview on page 2 of this topic but not sure...
"We believe in what we do!" - written in Friedrich Rainer's Guestbook by Odilo Globocnik in April 1943.

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Post by Gorque » 14 Jun 2017 20:42

trespasser07 wrote:I think it is the interview on page 2 of this topic but not sure...
Hi Trespasser

It is and it isn't. The interview on page 2 is a very shortened transcript of the video.

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Post by trespasser07 » 14 Jun 2017 21:46

If anyone could give the full transcript here it would be greatly appreciated, also what Franz's prosecutor is saying earlier in the video about him
"We believe in what we do!" - written in Friedrich Rainer's Guestbook by Odilo Globocnik in April 1943.

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Post by Stefano » 01 Jul 2017 09:56

trespasser07 wrote:Can someone ID the people in the photo in the below link, is it Kurt Bolender in the middle?

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh/multim ... _1_web.jpg
Hello
This photo shows from the left the following Abteilung R men: Ernst Gentz, Paul Bredow, Kurt Bolender, Hubert Gomerski and Karl Pötzinger. It was taken in the courtyard of the detention and killing camp Risiera di San Sabba in Trieste, Italy, probably in March or April 1944.
The photo is also published, together with others taken on the same occasion, in the book “Globocnik’s men in Italy” which deals with Abteilung R (formed with men of the former Einsatz Reinhard) in Italy, see http://www.panzer-ozak.it/globocniksmen_en.htm
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