"Under Finnish occupation"

[Mikko H.]

Under Finnish occupation

It sounds almost impossible; Finland was once an occupying power. It happened 70 years ago, and the place was East Karelia. The matter has not been forgotten in Russian Karelia. In 2009 the Parliament of the Republic of Karelia decided on a new public holiday. The 30th of September is now celebrated as the “Day of Liberation from Fascist Occupation”.
“I opposed the name, because the Finns were neither fascists nor Nazis, but the Members of Parliament decided differently”, says Sergei Verigin, Dean of the Faculty of History at the University of Petrozavodsk.

Read the rest at: http://www.hs.fi/english/article/Under+ ... 5268409001

[Vaeltaja]

Wonder why they dug this one from the mothballs? I mean it was news in 2009.

[igor_verh]

On the territory of Karelia under occupation there were only a little over 100 thousand people. Approximately 20-30% of those people were killed. In other words Finnish occupation regime was one of the most violent in the occupied Soviet Union, surpassing largely German. Would have remained there 500.000 people (who were able to evacuate) - would have been killed hundreds of thousands.
In Karelia at war were 17 finnish concentration camps and prisons for civilians:
Центральная тюрьма п. Киндасово (central prison in Kindasovo)
Территориальная тюрьма Кестеньги (prison in Kestenga)
Концлагерь Киннасваара (concentration camp Kinnasvaara)
Концлагерь Колвасярви (Куолоярви) (concentration camp Koulojarvi)
Лагеря для перемещённых лиц (1 ЦВА Восточная Карелия)
Концлагерь Абакумов—Бузянская (concentration camp Abakumov-Buzyanskaya)
Концлагерь Хабаров—Клеева (concentration camp Khabarov-Kleeva)
Концлагерь Климанов—Лисинский (concentration camp Klimanov-Lisinskiy)
Концлагерь Ляпсин-Орехов (concentration camp Lyapsin-Orehov)
Концлагерь Орлов—Сименков (concentration camp Orlov-Simenkov)
Концлагерь Семереков—Свиридов (concentration camp Semerekov-Sviridov)
Концлагерь Тахуилов—Звездин (concentration camp Tahuilov-Zvezdin)
Концлагерь Хепосуо (concentration camp Heposuo)
Концлагерь Паалу (concentration camp Paalu)
Концлагерь Видлицы (concentration camp Vidlicy)
Концлагерь Совхоза (concentration camp Sovhoz)
Концлагерь Ильинское (concentration camp Ilinskoe)
Also in Petrozavodsk were 7 concentration camps:
Концлагерь № 1, располагался на Кукковке (ныне — Старая Кукковка)
Концлагерь № 2, располагался в бывших домах Северной точки
Концлагерь № 3, располагался в бывших домах Лыжной фабрики
Концлагерь № 4, располагался в бывших домах Онегзавода
Концлагерь № 5, располагался в Железнодорожном посёлке (в годы войны — Красная Горка)
Концлагерь № 6, располагался на Перевалочной бирже
Концлагерь № 7, располагался на Перевалочной бирже
Some informations about finnish occupation you may find in books:
Laine A. Suur-Suomen kahdet kasvot. Itä-Karjalan siviiliväestön asema suomalaisessa miehityshallinnossa. 1941—1944. Helsinki: Keuruu, 1982.
Seppälä H. Suomalaista rotuerottelua: Itä-Karjalan venäläisväestö suomalaisen sotilashallinnon keskitysleirillä 1941—1944 // Ulkopolitiikka. 2005
Seppälä H. Suomi miehittäjänä. 1941-1944 . – Helsinki, 1989
"Чудовищные злодеяния финско-фашистских захватчиков на территории карело-финской ССР. Сборник документов и материалов." Сулимин С., Трускинов И., Шитов Н. Государственное издательство Карело-Финской ССР

[Vaeltaja]

Well posting old propaganda photographs is not really a good way to start.

Also last i checked the number of people 'left behind' was around 85 000 with highly skewed distribution (heavy on children and elderly). Of these 20% - 30% were confined to the camps. And total of 4 000 to 7 000 (depending sources) died during their confinement - mostly from malnutrition.

Matter has been previously discussed in the forums for several times

[igor_verh]

Other "old propaganda" photo : Mannerheim and man, who started «holocaust»

[Juha Tompuri]

On the territory of Karelia under occupation there were only a little over 100 thousand people. Approximately 20-30% of those people were killed.

As Vaeltaja has mentioned, these numbers do not correlate with the reality.
IIRC they originate from Soviet mid-40' "calculations"
Some already existing threads about the issue:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 6121&hilit
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 9&t=178067

Regards, Juha

[David Thompson]

igor_verh -- You wrote:

On the territory of Karelia under occupation there were only a little over 100 thousand people. Approximately 20-30% of those people were killed. In other words Finnish occupation regime was one of the most violent in the occupied Soviet Union, surpassing largely German. Would have remained there 500.000 people (who were able to evacuate) - would have been killed hundreds of thousands.

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[igor_verh]

http://pobeda.gov.karelia.ru/Veteran/memory.html
http://gorod.tomsk.ru/index-1297965055.php
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0% ... 0%BD%D1%8B

[Marcus]

http://pobeda.gov.karelia.ru/Veteran/memory.html
http://gorod.tomsk.ru/index-1297965055.php
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0% ... 0%BD%D1%8B

Thanks for those sources but as most of our members don't understand Russian, please provide translations of the relevant parts of those pages, thanks.

/Marcus

[igor_verh]

Unfortunately, my english is not very good for correct translation, but you may use google translate , I usually use it, when find information, which intresting for me .

[Marcus]

Unfortunately, my english is not very good for correct translation, but you may use google translate , I usually use it, when find information, which intresting for me .

In that case please post the Google translation of the relevant parts of those pages.

/Marcus

[Tommy R]

Just some info (from an article on the subject by CF Guest) on the famous propaganda shot of the children in Petrozavodosk, it was taken by the war correspondent Galina Sanko after the Finns had left the city so she asked some children playing in the street to pose beside an open gate to the camp.
There are some happier shots of the children too as can be seen in the attached photo.

[Seppo Jyrkinen]

Very round cheeks; won't look malnourished children. At school they got extra meal, but it I don't think it has been the only reason. Food situation at 1944 has in generally been much better than 1942.