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Post by David Thompson » 26 Mar 2003, 08:18

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Post by Somosierra » 26 Mar 2003, 12:11

David,

I appreciate your effort, but here you have a little “light” on the author.

Regards,
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http://www.infoukes.com/galiciadivision/logusz/


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Post by Somosierra » 26 Mar 2003, 12:18

BTW - I have some bizarre thoughts: the Mike Melnyk’s posts are so similar to those statements of Michael O. Logusz…, is it the same person? It would be great honor to our forum…

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Hello

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Post by Melnyk » 28 Mar 2003, 00:27

My name is Michael James Melnyk

My father was Petro Melnyk, born in KOROPEC, Ukraine. He was a veteran of the Galician Division.

He was conscripted at gun point by the retreating Germans on 28 June 1944.

I wrote a hsitory of the Division which took 15 years to research.

It is entitled 'To Battle', the formation and history of the 14 Galician Division of the Waffen SS and was published last year by Helion and Co

I was born on 13/2/1964 and live in England.

Strange as it might sound Michael Orest Logusz IS NOT ME! He has a different name, a different date of birth and was born and is resident in the USA.

I trust this is isn't too complicated for "Somosierra" to understand.

You may consider introducing yourself or is your real name Simon Wiesental?

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Post by Somosierra » 28 Mar 2003, 01:45

Melnyk wrote:My name is Michael James Melnyk

My father was Petro Melnyk, born in KOROPEC, Ukraine. He was a veteran of the Galician Division.

He was conscripted at gun point by the retreating Germans on 28 June 1944.

I wrote a hsitory of the Division which took 15 years to research.

It is entitled 'To Battle', the formation and history of the 14 Galician Division of the Waffen SS and was published last year by Helion and Co

I was born on 13/2/1964 and live in England.

Strange as it might sound Michael Orest Logusz IS NOT ME! He has a different name, a different date of birth and was born and is resident in the USA.

I trust this is isn't too complicated for "Somosierra" to understand.

You may consider introducing yourself or is your real name Simon Wiesental?

Do you have something against Simon Wiesental?

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Post by David Thompson » 28 Mar 2003, 02:03

Melnyk -- Welcome to the Forum!

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Why hide?

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Post by Melnyk » 28 Mar 2003, 21:16

Dear Somosierra


No - I have nothing againts Simon Wiesental. It was just that since you thought I was Michael Logusz, you could be Simon Wiesental. Either way, I have no idea who you are as you are apparently not keen to reveal your identity and personal details. Do you have something to hide? Are you really a war criminal? Could YOU have been at Huta, or the Warsaw Rising?

Go on, be a devil, tell us about yourself. One day we might become great friends.

Mike Melnyk

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Post by Somosierra » 29 Mar 2003, 04:23

Melnyk wrote:Dear Somosierra


No - I have nothing againts Simon Wiesental. It was just that since you thought I was Michael Logusz, you could be Simon Wiesental. Either way, I have no idea who you are as you are apparently not keen to reveal your identity and personal details. Do you have something to hide? Are you really a war criminal? Could YOU have been at Huta, or the Warsaw Rising?

Go on, be a devil, tell us about yourself. One day we might become great friends.

Mike Melnyk

I am very sorry to inform you I am not able to be a good friend of a person who admires the SS.

And I do not have anything to hide but according to the rules of the forum I provided Marcus the all information he needs, but for you I am just Somosierra. I am not going to share with you any personal information – there are so many “cyber-date-crimes”…:-)

My private life is my business, I did not ask you to tell me your name – I do not care who you are, I just care what you are writing.

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Dea Dear

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Post by Melnyk » 29 Mar 2003, 09:29

Of course it is your right to remain anonymous, although people who do are often not willing to be held accountable for what they write. Thank you for telling me that I admire the SS. Up until this point I did not know that I did.

I don’t really care who you are either – just what you are writing. If you have any additional and verifiable evidence on this topic or in relation to any other alleged allegation of misdeeds by members of the 14 Galician Div, I would be pleased to hear from you. There again, I don’t have time indulge in reading your version or other peoples material.
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Post by Marcus » 20 Jul 2008, 01:33

What is the current status of the research into this massacre in Poland, Ukraine and elsewhere?

/Marcus

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Post by David Thompson » 20 Jul 2008, 16:41

Marcus -- This 2006 article from the Daily Mirror [UK] is the only thing that I found on Huta Peniatska, dated later than this thread, in a google search:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/topstories ... -16697010/

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Post by Marcus » 20 Jul 2008, 17:13

Thanks David.

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Post by Melnyk » 26 Jul 2008, 19:30

Hi

current status of the HUTA enquiry here in England is a complete standstill. No evidence which can be substantiated has been produced which would be sufficient extradite any Ukrainian to Poland. My understanding is that the bulk of the evidence, is witness statements and these are subject to significant variations.
One document in my archive discusses the testimony of a Polish witness at Huta which begins as
follows [my comments are in square brackets]:
"[...] guys were killed (he says only one was killed). He talks about the
plane too. He says he recognised it was the Division [i presume he means the
Gal.div or members of the Gal Pol rgt] by uniforms which were white. [as you
know many German units wore white cammo uniforms in the winter but the 4th
rgt was not one of them].his description of the singing mixed with howling
dogs burning alive is quite strong. He also mentions soldiers with yellow
letters on the back of their coats and says that they were Wlassowcy. He was
owner of a basement where a group of survivors hid and talks about the AK
courier from Zloczow who came a couple of hours before the pacification to
warn HP the germans were approaching. We gives another village name which
was pacificed by the Division Majdan Pieniacki near HP on 23 Feb. Sounds
good as a witness to me though I dont have a copy of his statement here just
my notes and his address".

From the above I am certain that a researcher was given the remitt to find
testimony about the events at HUTA, however the comments above contain
several discrepancies. For example the 4th rgt were not issed with white
cammo overalls, and MOLODECKYJ told me he was in Maidan Pieniacki during the
battle of Brody and when he first got there, he saw no signs of an earlier
'pacification' action.

best wishes

Mike Melnyk
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Post by RG » 28 Jul 2008, 11:25

[quote]Its women and children were utilized not only for intelligence-gathering purposes, but in production of mines and explosive devices. Huta Pieniacka was comparable to many of the "innocent" villages and hamlets found later in the Vietnam conflict[quote]

interesting statement, is it an accusation of polish children and women for being opponents of UPA or excuse for killing them?

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