Over the course of this thread you have maintained that there would have been no genocide if Britain and then Russia had been defeated, though there was ample time for the Nazis to attempt to secure passage across neutral nations for these unwanted people. I have asked if the Nazi government ever made any approaches to other states in an attempt to facilitate the Jews and other undesirables to leave. So far you have not answered this, presumably because no such approaches were made?The impracticability of the Madagascar Plan was not the reason for the commencement of the physical extermination of the Jews under German control.
What about the Gypsies? Were they to be exiled or was genocide always contemplated for them?
The following question also got no reply;
Is that because the other areas did not agree with Frank? Citing only one area leader seems unusual if all followed the same policies.The Generalgouvernement was not the only authority in the German controlled parts of Poland, what had the other areas decided to do?In early July 1940, Frank ordered a halt to the construction of new ghettos on the grounds that they were no longer necessary, given that the transportation of the Jews of the Generalgouvernement out of Europe would shortly begin.
It has nothing to do with anything being emotionally satisfying, nor have I said I agree with this line of thought entirely. I believe that killing was certainly postulated very early on, and was almost certainly discussed long before it was put into practice. I do not believe the Nazis went from a policy of exiling Jews and undesirables to distant regions to one of killing them all suddenly on an impulse, it was probably something being seriously considered by important people for maybe two years prior to being implimented.But there is no reason why one should not believe in the existence of a pre-existing intention on Hitler's part to kill all Jews, right from the time he first came to power, or perhaps even earlier, if that is what one finds more emotionally satisfying.
Almost certainly not in 1933, but such an end was probably under consideration for all Jews that remained within the Nazi sphere of control by 1939, and I would say the decision was finalized by the time Germany invaded Russia. After that the Jews would survive only as long as it took the Nazi machine to spare enough people and materiel to put genocide into practice.There is a good deal of disagreement among historians on that question, although the majority seem to have concluded that mass-killing was not the original intention of the German Government.
