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Post by thomas » 25 Apr 2002, 12:53

Hi all

i have some informations about Johann Niemann, the second commander of Sobibor.

Johann Niemann
SS.Untersturmführer ( from when, other promotions)
born: ??
died: killed 14. October 1943 in the concentration camp Sobibor by Yehuda Lerner by splitting the head with a axe.
Second commander of Sobibor (from ? till 14. october 1943)
other assignements before Sobibor

Has somebody more information about Johann Niemann, it would be great. If somebody needs some informations about the "revolt" of Sobibor, then ask in this forum. Sorry for the word "revolt", but i did not find another one, because my english is not very good.

Thank you very much

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Post by Simon » 25 Apr 2002, 17:52

Born 4 August 1913..

K.L. Esterwegen (1934)
K.L. Sachsenhausen (1938-1941)
K.L. Sobibor (1942-1943)


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Post by thomas » 25 Apr 2002, 18:23

Thank you very much for your information.

Best regards

Thomas

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Post by Schmauser » 25 Apr 2002, 21:33

I am very interested in the Sobibor Revolt. :D

I have tried to find out who the SS Guards were, who were killed.
so far I succeeded, but I don't know the christian names of Göttinger, or Steffl.

Also I believe only two Ukrainians were killed, Albert Kaiser & Josef Klat, am I wrong? Hope you can help.

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Post by thomas » 26 Apr 2002, 07:41

Dear Schmauser

With Floss there were 11 SS-Men killed. But not a man with the name Göttinger.

The Christian name of Steffl is Thomas. The both ukrainians are in the book called Volksdeutsche and the names were Iwan Klatt and Klaus Schreiber.

After the book of Toivi Blatt these names were indicated in a telegramm which SS-Gruppenfürer Jakob Sporrenberg sent to his Boss SS-Obergruppenführer Friederich Krüger.

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Post by Schmauser » 26 Apr 2002, 14:14

Thomas, Here is my list of those killed at Sobibor, I want you to correct it if I have made a mistake, thanks.

SS Untersturmführer Josef Niemann
SS Rottenführer Karl Steubel
SS Scharführer Siegfried Greischutz
SS Untercharführer Fritz Konrad
Ukrainian Wachmann Klaus Schreiber
SS Obercharführer Max Bree
SS Unterscharführer Josef Wolf
SS Scharführer Friedrich Gaulstich
SS Unterscharführer Thomas Steffl
Ukrainian Wachmann Josef/Ivan Klat
SS Oberscharführer Kurt - Rudolf Beckmann
SS Scharführer Josef Vallaster
SS Unterscharführer Walter Ryba

I got some of this information from this link

http://www.helsinki.fi/~degroot/reinhard_personnel.htm

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Post by thomas » 26 Apr 2002, 16:28

Dear Schmauser

The book gives following names:

SS-Untersturmführer Niemann, Johann
SS-Oberscharführer Wolf Josef
SS-Oberscharführer Beckmann Rudolf
SS-Scharführer Graetschus Siegfried
SS-Scharführer Vallaster, Erich Josef (Sepp)
SS-Scharführer Steffl Thomas
SS-Scharführer Gaulstich Friedrich
SS-Scharführer Ryba Walter
SS-Scharführer Konrad Fritz
SS-Unterscharführer Nowak Walter
Volksdeutscher Klatt Iawan
Volksdeutscher Schreiber Klaus
all these SS-men seems to be killed the 14. october 1943

At same day the SS-Oberscharführer Dubois Werner was seriously wounded and was broaugt to the hospital of Chelmo

SS-Oberscharführer Floss Herbert was killed the 22. october 1943

That are the SS-men from the concentration camp Sobibor which are killed.

Best regards and have a nice weekend.

thomas

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Post by Georges JEROME » 28 Apr 2002, 21:21

add data on Ustuf Niemann
born at Voellen

served on 1942 at Belzec

best

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Post by Schmauser » 29 Apr 2002, 14:29

Dear Thomas, thanks for your Sobibor Guards info :)

I am wondering if you have any info on the Treblinka Uprising??

I only know of 3 SS guards who were killed and i can't find anymore names. Kurt Küttner & Ivan 'the terrible' Marchenko & an officer called Röhn, i don't know his christian name.

Hope you can help.

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Post by Logan Hartke » 29 Apr 2002, 14:35

How accurate is the movie on Sobibor? I heard it wasn't bad. I saw it on the History Channel and it looked pretty good.

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Post by Researcher » 29 Apr 2002, 20:38

I have 2 more names of SS men possibly killed in the Sobibor revolt, Erbert Helm and Ernst Berg. However I did not have Steffl, Konrad or Schreiber. Seems everyone has different 'facts'

Kurt Küttner was only wounded in the Treblinka revolt. He survived the war but died prior to a proposed trial in Germany.

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Post by Schmauser » 29 Apr 2002, 20:54

Researcher, Where did you get those names from, do you have a source or link? I have posted a link in one of my previous posts, which has most of the names on it, Max Bree and Albert Kaiser were on there, however I don't know if they are right or not.

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Post by Marcus » 30 Apr 2002, 13:09

Researcher,

Welcome to the forum.

/Marcus

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Post by thomas » 30 Apr 2002, 16:41

Hi Researcher

My informations are from the book from the well known surrender Thomas "Toivi" Blatt. all these names are in the book from him. He has also a prouved it by a telegramm which SS-Gruppenführer Jakob Sporrenberg sent to SS-Obergruppenführer Krüger in Krakau. And a second prouve is the report of an Hauptmann Wullbrandt after the war.

After a long time it is really true still to know each details. But i think he was during not only in the camp, but he knew, did and saw very much.

I am also intrested to know where you have your informations.

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Post by Researcher » 30 Apr 2002, 16:58

If I remember correctly my names came from the book 'Escape from Sobibor' by Richard Rashke. This book came out in 1995 and is partly based on the accounts of 18 survivors.
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