SS-Aufseherinnen Haase

[Yuli]

History1 wrote:

Why should a Polish historian hesitate to mention such scene? She described/mentions much more cruel actions in the book

Probably it was not such a significant event for the SS to be documented. How could Danuta Czech know about it?. There are numerous testimonies about the hanging where this detail (and many others) is not mentioned. Even the date of the hanging is still controversial.

Does Danuta Czech specify who was the hangman? Is it known?

[Wobbler]

With all my respect, history1, a quick google search would give you all the answer on which book I referring too.
I have never stated that Bundesarchiv took part in this publication.It is stated on the cover of the book "From the archives of the Auschwitz memorial and the German federal archives" on my English 1997 edition.
The same Danuta Czech started assemble and register documents in 1956 from several sources and goverment archives and she has been doing so for more than three decades and as she herself stated in the introduction of my edition: "For the new edition it was possible to expand the "Chronicle" considerably." meaning among other, that declassified documents also were available from Bundesarchiv.

As an historian myself,I never bases my assumptions on one source, and try to find multiple sources describing the same case - and as Yuli mentions in his post several testimonies tells about the whereabout of the matter.

When you read Auschwitz Chronicle it is crucial to understand the meaning of the book and its contents - it consist of an mixture of transcripts of documents ,SS logs , and testimonies - day by day - to document the industrial approach the nazis had to the holocaust.
Therefor it is not Danuta Czech´s words in this book - She herself would not hesitate to mention the "scene" you called it in the right context , but the history in her own words is not the subject here.
As I stated, the nazis themselves would not document a "failed hanging" or a specific murder.

[history1]

With all my respect, history1, a quick google search would give you all the answer on which book I referring too.

There is no need for unkind behaviour like yours here. It´s not the style I appreciate nor which I suggested the last 12 years when people were looking for help, eg. ansata1976.
Almost everyting can be looked up in the web, eg. the date of the execution of this girls which Yuli states as

On January 5 (some claim 6) 1944, four Jewish women from Union factory underground group were publicly executed

It´s also "Ester Wajsblum" and not "Estera Wajsblum".
Compare with the masculin given names here eg. accused # 8: "Jozefa" is also a feminin name here in my country though the "Jozefa" is the son of Jozef/-a and his wife Katarzyna.
http://pamiec.pl/ftp/baza-ss-oswiecim/w ... 4_1948.pdf
What I want to express with this example? That people not familiar with Polish do misinterpret Polish names or names in Polish very often. Like Ester Wajsblum.

I have never stated that Bundesarchiv took part in this publication.It is stated on the cover of the book "From the archives of the Auschwitz memorial and the German federal archives" on my English 1997 edition."

Sadly you didn´t make this clear in the other post, there you mention as book title within quotation marks "Auschwitz Chronicle".
BTW, it´s not " she was also a SS-Aufseherinnen " but "Aufseherin", no need to use the plural for a single woman.

[...] she herself stated in the introduction of my edition: "For the new edition it was possible to expand the "Chronicle" considerably." meaning among other, that declassified documents also were available from Bundesarchiv.

The 1st release of the "Auschwitz Chronicle" was printed in the Polish "Auschwitz Studies" vol. 2,3,4,6 and 7 in the years 1958-1963. My Polish 1992 volume has a preamble from Francisek Piper, not from D. Czech. Nor is there any hint to the German archives. Somehing must have changed between the publication of our volumes.

[Wobbler]

history1.
I will end my discussion here over what is..or what is not printed on a cover of a book , also grammatical technicalities right or wrong - this forums deals with too serious issues to pursue such discussion.
Feel free to provide relevant historical information to the matter in this thread.

[Yuli]

So, back to the main issue, does Danuta Czech specify who was the hangman? Is it known?

[history1]

So, back to the main issue, does Danuta Czech specify who was the hangman? Is it known?

In my version D. Czech doesn´t give any information about the hangman.

It seems you and Wobbler are not able to recognise your error, Yuli? Hence I´m forced to point it out once again. For those people who are not familiar with the proceedings. We don´t want to spreed incorrect informations here.

On January 5 (some claim 6) 1944, four Jewish women from Union factory underground group were publicly executed

[Yuli]

I am sorry, history1, but I do not recognize my error in my citation. Please specify.

[history1]

I am sorry, history1, but I do not recognize my error in my citation. Please specify.

You´re kidding, right?
Third and last time, if you don´t recognise it now there is no hope.

On January 5 (some claim 6) 1944, four Jewish women from Union factory underground group were publicly executed

[Yuli]

Sorry, History1, I am red colorblind, so I did not notice the red-lighted typo. No need to be insulting. Of course, the execution was in January 1945.

To be constructive:

Regarding the controversial date of execution, 5 (Friday) versus 6 (Saturday) of January 1945. Anna Heilman, Ester Wajsblum's sister, dated the execution to January 5 (Anna Heilman, Interview 8569. VHA USC Shoah Foundation; Heilman, Never Far Away, p. 139). So does Ilse Michel (Shelly, The Union Kommando in Auschwitz, UPA, 1996, p. 137). However, multiple testimonies converge on January 6 - Hanka Goldberg (Interview 11308. VHA USC Shoah Foundation), Inka Wajsbrot (Shelley, ibid, p. 54), Lidia Vago (Shelley, ibid, p. 207), Clara Heymann (Shelly, ibid, p. 245), Maria Oyrzynska (Shelly, ibid, p. 298), Marta Cige' (Shelly, ibid, p. 302). All these women were Union workers who witnessed the execution.

In front of Block 27 of Auschwitz-Birkenau Museum there is a memorial plaque commemorating the four women. The date of execution inscribed is January 6, 1945.

Regarding the place of execution. I found another source (in addition to the two testimonies mentioned above) describing the execution at the extension camp for Union workers: Raya Kagan: Hell's Office Women (Hebrew, Sifriat Poalim, 1947). She describes how she and other women inmates were summoned from the main camp to the Union houses in the extension camp. The gallows were erected in the yard between buildings 4 and 5.

I was searching for a detailed map of the extension camp with numbering of the buildings but could only find an aerial photo. I wonder if such a map can be found, so the (most likely) place of execution can be marked.

[lady-morgana]

I read a interesting essay called "Auf den spuren von Annelise Franz" in german some time ago,and it turn out that Anneliese Franz was the older sister of Elisabeth Hasse and she was also a SS-Aufseherinnen working together with Hasse at Auschwitz, and she stated that Hasse had found out that she had become pregnant after a love affair with an SS-man called Phillip .... right at the very end of 1944.
It is therefore most likely that she still was in duty and present in the camp on Jan 6th.

Dear Wobbler!
I see Hasse is an interesting person for you. And I am trying to find something about her sister. Something else, not only what her secritary told (Zofia Pismysh is a nice person, but it would be very nice to find an opinion of another people). Could you please help me found this essay?

And... may be you have photo of Hasse? Of course my dream is to see photo of Anneliese, but it seems that there is no her photo...

[Ingnrw]

I have a photo of Anneliese Franz.