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Chelmno

Post by Morgoth » 14 Apr 2003 15:50

Hello, i'm looking for pictures, plans and drawings of Chelmno (Kulmhof). Any help would be appreciated, thank you.

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Post by Hans » 14 Apr 2003 16:16

Hallo Morgoth!

Morgoth wrote:Hello, i'm looking for pictures, plans and drawings of Chelmno (Kulmhof). Any help would be appreciated, thank you.


Here you find some pictures of Chelmno:

http://holocaust-info.dk/chelmno/chelmn ... /index.htm

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Post by Morgoth » 14 Apr 2003 17:47

Thanks Hans :).

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Post by Benoit Douville » 16 Apr 2003 22:52

In Memory of Jews murdered in Rzuchow Forest at the Chelmno concentration camp.

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Re: Chelmno

Post by Makarov » 13 Feb 2015 09:24

spottedcow wrote:I think you should start a new thread or find an applicable old thread.
Ok, let´s continue in this old thread.

During the second phase in 1944, the Nazis had two undressing barracks built in Waldlager. After undressing the victims were forced into a "tube", similar to the ones used in Aktion Reinhardt camps, which led to a Gas van in the end. Do we know where the two undressing barracks and the "tube" were located?

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Re: Chelmno

Post by spottedcow » 14 Feb 2015 03:42

Nobody knows the answer to this question. The Polish government's postwar investigation does not indicate where the barracks were located. A number of testimonies states that the barracks were some 150 to 200 meters from the crematoria. The map below shows three possible locations:

L1 is my guess based on distance and an aerial photograph taken in January 1945.
L2 is the location suggested by the museum in Chelmno based on preliminary archeological work.
L3 is the location according to Szymon Srebrnik. I believe this location is problematic due to the proximity of the crematoria. How could the victims not see what was in store for them?
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Re: Chelmno

Post by Makarov » 14 Feb 2015 21:59

Thank you, Patrick.
Is there anything at the ground level that support´s your theory based on the aerial view?
About the crematorias, the ones that was used in the camp´s first phase was as far as I know outdoor crematoria´s, but what about the crematoria´s used in the second phase, was they as the previous ones outdoor´s or where they walled in?

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Re: Chelmno

Post by spottedcow » 14 Feb 2015 22:56

I can't answer your first question. In regard to the crematoria, they were outdoors - just a pit with a grill at ground level. Many questions will be answered if you read the book.

Patrick

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Re: Chelmno

Post by Makarov » 18 Feb 2015 08:22

spottedcow wrote:Many questions will be answered if you read the book.
Patrick, you know what, I just ordered a copy of your book :milsmile:

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Post by spottedcow » 18 Feb 2015 17:13

Great! I hope you find it interesting and informative.

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Re: Chelmno

Post by Makarov » 07 Apr 2015 19:35

Makarov wrote:
spottedcow wrote:Many questions will be answered if you read the book.
Patrick, you know what, I just ordered a copy of your book :milsmile:
I have just finished your book and it was a pleasure Reading it. It´s Amazing how much we know about a camp that we know so Little about, if you know what I mean. However, there is one thing that I didn´t find in your book (or I just missed it). I wonder where the entrance was located at the forest camp where the trucks with it´s human cargo entered the camp.

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Re: Chelmno

Post by spottedcow » 07 Apr 2015 21:35

I am glad you enjoyed the book. Here is a map that should help. Follow the blue arrows on the bottom of the drawing.

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Re: Chelmno

Post by spottedcow » 07 Apr 2015 21:57

Here's a photo of the entrance taken in 1945.
Source: IPN Archive Warsaw
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Re: Chelmno

Post by Makarov » 08 Apr 2015 14:20

spottedcow wrote:Here's a photo of the entrance taken in 1945.
Thank´s for your answer.

At a closer look at Google Earth it looks like the entrance and the road is still there (Yellow Circle) or is it Another road/track?

Do you agree that the blue rectangle is approximately where the assumed reception barracks were located during the camp´s second phase?
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Re: Chelmno

Post by spottedcow » 08 Apr 2015 17:18

Yes, the entrance and road are still there. The blue box is my guess at the approximate location of the barracks.
However, the L2 location on the first map in this tread is also a viable placement. More research is required.

Patrick

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