Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by steve248 » 25 Jan 2019, 15:37

The handwritten additions to the printed word SS-Sonderkommando appear to me to say 11 something.

Only Sonderkommando 10a was in Taganrog between Oct 1941 and August 1942 when, surely, the "Taganroger Miliz" was established. After August 1942 it was a Aussenstelle of Einsatzkommando 6 (under Biberstein).

There was no SS-officer or SS-Oschaf-Hschaf-Stuschaf Kriminalbeamter named Möller or Müller with SK 10a at the time (my reading of the handwritten name and rank).

And the only SS-officer with a similar name, SS-Ustuf Paul Möller, joined the Kommando when it had retreated to Mosyr/Ukraine in March 1943.

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by huddyhuddy » 26 Jan 2019, 19:58

Thanks for the images.
I am looking for one as well...


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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by Schmiedt2 » 08 Feb 2020, 22:24

huddyhuddy wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 06:22
Hello,
This is the only image that was sent to me...
Is this an original piece or a "replica"?
Thanks.
This is a faked stuff, made by people who saw the Kudachkin's ID on the Internet.

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by Schmiedt2 » 08 Feb 2020, 22:25

huddyhuddy wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 13:25
Thank you very much for the reply Steve, this helps.
In the meantime I found on-line an "identical" ausweis, so the suspicion is much higher now about the document...
This is a real ID of Taganrog Schupo member. I saw such IDs in our State Archive.

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by Schmiedt2 » 08 Feb 2020, 22:32

WAR LORD wrote:
25 Jan 2019, 14:42
An original document. These are very rare items to find.
Hi, War lord,
Could I use this photo of ID in my paper I will write about the Sipo und SD?
If it possible can I get an scan of this ID in more higher resolution?
If you give me the opportunity to use your image of ID I promise to add copyright caption to this.
Thank you in advance.

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by Schmiedt2 » 08 Feb 2020, 22:35

steve248 wrote:
25 Jan 2019, 15:37
The handwritten additions to the printed word SS-Sonderkommando appear to me to say 11 something.

Only Sonderkommando 10a was in Taganrog between Oct 1941 and August 1942 when, surely, the "Taganroger Miliz" was established. After August 1942 it was a Aussenstelle of Einsatzkommando 6 (under Biberstein).

There was no SS-officer or SS-Oschaf-Hschaf-Stuschaf Kriminalbeamter named Möller or Müller with SK 10a at the time (my reading of the handwritten name and rank).

And the only SS-officer with a similar name, SS-Ustuf Paul Möller, joined the Kommando when it had retreated to Mosyr/Ukraine in March 1943.
There was Friedrich Möller, Einsatzkommando C/Einsatzkommando 6 Teilkommando Führer (EG C/ EK 6/ Teilkommando Taganrog)

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by steve248 » 09 Feb 2020, 13:32

EK 6 (under Biberstein) took over Taganrog from SK 10a when it advanced into the Caucasus

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by Schmiedt2 » 09 Feb 2020, 15:18

steve248 wrote:
09 Feb 2020, 13:32
EK 6 (under Biberstein) took over Taganrog from SK 10a when it advanced into the Caucasus
That's clear. But between Mohr und Biberstein was in Taganrog as Teilkommandoführer Friedrich Möller. That is the fact.

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by Gorque » 09 Feb 2020, 15:56

Schmiedt2 wrote:
09 Feb 2020, 15:18
steve248 wrote:
09 Feb 2020, 13:32
EK 6 (under Biberstein) took over Taganrog from SK 10a when it advanced into the Caucasus
That's clear. But between Mohr und Biberstein was in Taganrog as Teilkommandoführer Friedrich Möller. That is the fact.
Hi Schmiedt2:

Could you post some document or other source that supports the above?

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Post by Schmiedt2 » 10 Feb 2020, 20:18

Gorque wrote:
09 Feb 2020, 15:56
Schmiedt2 wrote:
09 Feb 2020, 15:18
steve248 wrote:
09 Feb 2020, 13:32
EK 6 (under Biberstein) took over Taganrog from SK 10a when it advanced into the Caucasus
That's clear. But between Mohr und Biberstein was in Taganrog as Teilkommandoführer Friedrich Möller. That is the fact.
Hi Schmiedt2:

Could you post some document or other source that supports the above?
You could see the subscription of SS-Sturmbanfuehrer Moeller on the ID of Gubanov Alexander posted by WAR LORD
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The IDs could sign the commander only.

And the second one is in the document I saw in Taganrog Branch of State Archive of Rostov Oblast.
The fond "Ortskommandatur Taganrog" (P-619). There was a text which contains the description of Einsatzkommando 6 (it will come to change with the Sonderkommando 10A and its Fuehrer is Moeller)

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by Gorque » 10 Feb 2020, 21:29

^^ Thanks ^^ :thumbsup:

I'm curious though regarding the information and the picture as the stamp on the picture doesn't match-up with the document,

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by WAR LORD » 10 Feb 2020, 21:32

Do we have any bio on SS-Sturmbanfuehrer Moeller on the ID of Gubanov Alexander

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by Schmiedt2 » 23 Feb 2020, 19:54

WAR LORD wrote:
10 Feb 2020, 21:32
Do we have any bio on SS-Sturmbanfuehrer Moeller on the ID of Gubanov Alexander
Möller, Friedrich
1903 - born
1924-1925 - Polizeischule Münster (Schutzpolizei, Schupo)
1925-1936 - Polizeiverwaltung Köln (Schupo)
1936-1936 - Vormerkungsstelle von Polizeipräsident Potsdam (Schupo)
1936-1938 - Staatspolizeistelle Bielefeld (Kriminalpolizei, Kripo)
1938-1939 - Außenstelle Detmold / Stapo Bielefeld (Kripo)
1939-1941 - Außenstelle Paderborn / Stapo Bielefeld (Kripo)
1941-1942 - Einsatzgruppe C/ Einsatzkommando 6 (Kripo) August-September 1942 - Teilkommandoführer Taganrog)
1942-1945 - Staatspolizeistelle Bielefeld (Kripo)

(Institut für Zeitgeschichte, Archiv, Nr.1948/56, pages 1-2)

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by steve248 » 24 Feb 2020, 12:36

Friedrich Moller (born 23 Aug 1903, Bad Oeynhausen) who had the career structure in the above post was not a Sturmbannführer.

His rank at the time, Oct 1942, was SS-Sturmscharführer and Kriminalsekretär. He was never commissioned.

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Re: Differences between Sonderkommandos and Einsatzkommandos

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Post by Schmiedt2 » 24 Feb 2020, 17:46

steve248 wrote:
24 Feb 2020, 12:36
Friedrich Moller (born 23 Aug 1903, Bad Oeynhausen) who had the career structure in the above post was not a Sturmbannführer.

His rank at the time, Oct 1942, was SS-Sturmscharführer and Kriminalsekretär. He was never commissioned.
Just for proof-reason a document from archive about EK6 which came to change SK 10A (sorry, can not publish the full image of document):
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