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Re: Executed gestapo men in Poland and Czecheslovakia

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Post by George_W » 21 Jul 2017, 07:25

Friedrich Schulz, SS-Ostubaf, born 1910 Lemgo, 1943-1945 head of Gestapo Ciechanów-Płock, lived some time after the war in Germany under false name, proceeding against him in West Germany was dropped due to bad health, never tried in Poland, died in 1981.

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Post by George_W » 02 Aug 2017, 22:06

One more correction:

Franz Schauer served in Gestapo Lemberg not Lodz.

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Post by Puck » 22 Apr 2018, 20:54

ansata1976 wrote:Why in Czecheslovakia a lot of gestapo men were executed and in Poland only some?
Bauer Alfred ( 02.06.1897 Heinspach – 23.11.1946 Leitmeritz) Gestapo Prag
Alfred Bauer was not member of Gestapo, he was school director in Roudnice nad Labem and probably NSDAP-Ortsgruppenführer.
BUT: he denounced students on 20.06.1942 (one day after the attack on Heydrich) to the Gestapo, so 85 where arrested and 13 of them did not survive

trial and execution was 25.11.1945

see -> https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... n2zUIReP0d

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Re: Executed gestapo men in Poland and Czecheslovakia

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Post by history1 » 23 Apr 2018, 08:31

Puck wrote:[...]
Alfred Bauer was not member of Gestapo, [...] trial and execution was 25.11.1945
see -> [...]
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Dear Puck, could you be so kind an point out the text parts you´re refering to in your links to PDF with hundreds and more pages?? It´s very hard for people whose mother tongue isn´t Polish or Czech to find the relevant informations there.

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Re: Executed gestapo men in Poland and Czecheslovakia

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Post by Puck » 07 May 2020, 11:35

ansata1976 wrote:
26 Aug 2014, 21:45
Why in Czecheslovakia a lot of gestapo men were executed and in Poland only some?
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Executed in Poland for war crimes:
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Schauer Franz (01.08.1906 Würzburg – 19.01.1949) SS-Hauptscharführer Gestapo Lodz

Add ons are welcome
Just found another Franz Schauer
*04.06.1911 in Würzburg

mentioned 21.12.1940 in SD-BBl 33/40 at Stapo Würzburg as Kriminaloberassistent
(Zulassung 1.Fachprüfung I/1941 f.Krim.Beamte d.Geh.Staatspolizei)

Can anybody verify the dob given by ansata1976 ?

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Edit: in the Adressbook 1937 of Würzburg were two Franz Schauer
1st as Hauptwachtm.d.Schutzp.
2nd as Verw.-Inspektor

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Post by George_W » 07 May 2020, 17:23

Franz Schauer, member of Gestapo in Lemberg, who was extradited to Poland and executed, was born indeed 01.08.1906 in Würzburg.

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Post by Puck » 07 May 2020, 18:00

Thank you George

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Post by Stephan » 07 May 2020, 19:56

Re the numerous death sentences on SS in Tjeckoslovakia. There were also numerous inofficial killings immediately after the war. Usually on civilian clad ex SS men, trying to flee from becoming captured into POW camps.

Simplifying the situation, I interpret this so; uniformed going into POW, even uniformed SS, were usually left alone and allowed to come into POW custody. Sometimes with some beating, but alive and able to go themselves.
But fleeing in civilian clothes - with a big probability being SS-men trying to disguise and flee - these were murdered on spot. Sometimes rather greasly.

Thus, one good example we have on the films about "Lost German Girl" made in beginning of may 1945 by american army fotographers, where in many sequences we see young civilian clothed men "resting" aside of the street. Looking closer, we realize they are de facto dying, without anyone trying to help them. Some are bloodied, many arent. So how come? My guess they were simply stabbed or shot into stomach, and left to die slowly on their own...
Gross? Yes, but as they were youngish, lean, fit, it was apparent they were soldiers. And Wehrmacht usually didnt tried to hide into civilian clothes... Ergo, it was almost entirely clear they were disguised SS men trying to escape the justice.

The same filming shows colonns of uniformed SS-men left alone. There ARE stories they too could be assaulted, beaten up and in some cases murdered, but this are sooner exceptions than a rule...

Another example I have seen.
Executions of civilians in civilian clothes (white shirts), mostly men but also a couple of women... Adult middle aged? people, so probably NOT active SS-men. But still, all german men capable of carrying weapons were called in into arms. Or volunteered. So they although not active SS, almost surely were too into the Nazi-german army, and instead of dutifully do their POW- years, fled and took on civilian clothes.
That is my explanation of these murders begone on these civilians. Not nice, and I wont defend, but my theory these murders werent just insane brutality, there was some idea behind them.

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Re: Executed gestapo men in Poland and Czecheslovakia

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Post by Stephan » 07 May 2020, 22:06

Ps, I know the thread is supposed to be Gestapo-men, but I think these SS men were an perfect parallell and the same phenomen: the Czechs were out after them, both Gestapo and SS.

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Re: Executed gestapo men in Poland and Czecheslovakia

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Post by RG » 11 May 2020, 20:12

To this list one should add gestapo men executed by resistance during occupation. For example Herbert Schulz and Ewald Lange - executed in retaliation for torturing Jan Bytnar

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Post by history1 » 11 May 2020, 20:22

RG wrote:
11 May 2020, 20:12
To this list one should add gestapo men executed by resistance during occupation. For example Herbert Schulz and Ewald Lange - executed in retaliation for torturing Jan Bytnar
Seems you rather mean "murdered Gestapo men". An execution in plain clothes and with hidden weapons is everything but an execution. And a death sentence for torturing someone seems also quite excessive.
BTW, was there even a legal defense for the accused? Did he know about his trial at least? Where can I read the court papers (indictment and verdict)?

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Post by RG » 11 May 2020, 20:53

history1 wrote:
11 May 2020, 20:22
RG wrote:
11 May 2020, 20:12
To this list one should add gestapo men executed by resistance during occupation. For example Herbert Schulz and Ewald Lange - executed in retaliation for torturing Jan Bytnar
Seems you rather mean "murdered Gestapo men". An execution in plain clothes and with hidden weapons is everything but an execution. And a death sentence for torturing someone seems also quite excessive.
BTW, was there even a legal defense for the accused? Did he know about his trial at least? Where can I read the court papers (indictment and verdict)?
No, I mean executed. Murder suggests criminal motives. Why not to open a new topic? - conspiracy courts in various occupied countries?

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Re: Executed gestapo men in Poland and Czecheslovakia

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Post by history1 » 11 May 2020, 21:14

I asked you several questions, why not bothering to answer them? Is there no documentation about this underground court trials?

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Post by RG » 11 May 2020, 21:58

history1 wrote:
11 May 2020, 21:14
I asked you several questions, why not bothering to answer them? Is there no documentation about this underground court trials?
I answered, but maybe not clearly. I do not know if there is any Documentation, what was the procedures of the underground court, that's why I suggest to open a new topic

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Re: Executed gestapo men in Poland and Czecheslovakia

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Post by history1 » 12 May 2020, 06:54

Thank you, RG, now I understand.

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