Scott:
Interesting that you quote an source saying there are [quote]
Nearly 300 persons are currently under investigation by OSI, he added. ]
That number seems very high. Wondering whether one could find
this list of persons under investigation? One should have the right to know they are being investigated to prepare ensuing legal case.
Yes, they definitely are hunting "old men"
I would like to know who investigates the investigators?
Annelie
ps. I still haven't got the knack of this highlighting :-))
Hunting the old men.
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Scott Smith
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I think the numbers are typical braggadocio. I suppose Congress could investigate the OSI but that isn't likely to happen. It would be tantamount to "anti-Semitism," "Holocaust Denial," trying to "whitewash" Nazi crimes, or other such nonsense.Annelie wrote:Scott:
Interesting that you quote an source saying there areThat number seems very high. Wondering whether one could findNearly 300 persons are currently under investigation by OSI, he added.
this list of persons under investigation? One should have the right to know they are being investigated to prepare ensuing legal case.
Yes, they definitely are hunting "old men"
I would like to know who investigates the investigators?
Annelie
ps. I still haven't got the knack of this highlighting
A person can request a copy of his dossier from government agencies in question through the 1974 Freedom of Information Act, but "sensitive" parts will be blackened out. Also, the request would probably lead to the opening of a secret file on you if one never existed before.
Scott wrote:If I can help you with the forum codes, just let me know.Annelie wrote:ps. I still haven't got the knack of this highlighting.
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[quote="Scott"][quote="Annelie"]ps. I still haven't got the knack of this highlighting.[/quote]
[b]If I can help you with the forum codes, just let me know.[/b][/quote]If I can help you with the forum codes, just let me know.
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[quote]If I can [b]help you[/b] with the forum codes, just let me know.[/quote]Scott wrote:It's easy once you get the hang of it!
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[quote="Scott"]It's easy once you get the hang of it![/quote]
Best Wishes,
Scott
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walterkaschner
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Hi Annalie,
Unlike Scott, I don't doubt the 300 number of investigations which the head of the OSI claimed were on going in 1998. Special purpose organizations like that must, if they are to continue to survive, carry on a significant amount of activity, however ill directed. And in light of the substantial number of Central and Eastern European immigrants that arrived in the US during the 1940s and 1950s, it seems likely that there are still enough of them alive to sustain a significant number of investigations for some years yet to come.
Although I believe it perfectly just to expell an individual who has lied to gain entry to the US, I also believe that it is a outrageous misallocation of limited resources to maintain a unit such as the OSI for the extremely narrow purpose for which it was formed. In my view the Department of Justice has far more important things to do. The expense involved in maintaining the OSI, in conducting its investigations, in prosecuting the limited few whose conviction seems probable enough to justify prosecution, and in handling the inevitable appeals, seems to me out of proportion to any public benefit which could conceivably be derived.
Yes, Congress could itself investigate the OSI, but as Scott indicates, there is no way that is going to happen. I'm afraid that special interest agencies like that are virtually non-biodegradable, and may linger on until the last possible target has departed to meet his maker. Perhaps some budget minded Attorney General who can stand the political heat will at some point in the future, when the cost-results ration becames even more ludicrously high, have the courage to abolish the Office, but I'm not holding my breath.
As to your point about publicizing a list of the individuals being investigated, I think that would be a travesty. Investigations of that nature are - and should be - carried out in secret. This is primarily in the interest of protecting the privacy of the individual being investigated. I would certainly not wish to have my name appear on a public list of persons being investigated by the US Department of Justice, and I doubt if you would either. And more often than not such investigations turn out to be fruitless. As the OSI press release indicates, over the almost 20 year life of the OSI only 61 individuals were successfully condemned to lose their citizenship and of those only 48 deported or extradited. But I'm sure the number actually investigated over that same period was far, far higher.
Regards, Kaschner
Unlike Scott, I don't doubt the 300 number of investigations which the head of the OSI claimed were on going in 1998. Special purpose organizations like that must, if they are to continue to survive, carry on a significant amount of activity, however ill directed. And in light of the substantial number of Central and Eastern European immigrants that arrived in the US during the 1940s and 1950s, it seems likely that there are still enough of them alive to sustain a significant number of investigations for some years yet to come.
Although I believe it perfectly just to expell an individual who has lied to gain entry to the US, I also believe that it is a outrageous misallocation of limited resources to maintain a unit such as the OSI for the extremely narrow purpose for which it was formed. In my view the Department of Justice has far more important things to do. The expense involved in maintaining the OSI, in conducting its investigations, in prosecuting the limited few whose conviction seems probable enough to justify prosecution, and in handling the inevitable appeals, seems to me out of proportion to any public benefit which could conceivably be derived.
Yes, Congress could itself investigate the OSI, but as Scott indicates, there is no way that is going to happen. I'm afraid that special interest agencies like that are virtually non-biodegradable, and may linger on until the last possible target has departed to meet his maker. Perhaps some budget minded Attorney General who can stand the political heat will at some point in the future, when the cost-results ration becames even more ludicrously high, have the courage to abolish the Office, but I'm not holding my breath.
As to your point about publicizing a list of the individuals being investigated, I think that would be a travesty. Investigations of that nature are - and should be - carried out in secret. This is primarily in the interest of protecting the privacy of the individual being investigated. I would certainly not wish to have my name appear on a public list of persons being investigated by the US Department of Justice, and I doubt if you would either. And more often than not such investigations turn out to be fruitless. As the OSI press release indicates, over the almost 20 year life of the OSI only 61 individuals were successfully condemned to lose their citizenship and of those only 48 deported or extradited. But I'm sure the number actually investigated over that same period was far, far higher.
Regards, Kaschner
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Annelie
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Mr. Kaschner:
Upon reflection you are of course correct. It would be a travesty if such a list should be publically available but I do believe that if such a number of people are being investigated that they should be informed privately. I was not thinking correctly that time of the night.
As you have stated and others likewise (Special purpose organizations like that must, if they are to continue to survive, carry on a significant amount of activity, however ill directed. And in light of the substantial number of Central and Eastern European immigrants that arrived in the US during the 1940s and 1950s, it seems likely that there are still enough of them alive to sustain a significant number of investigations for some years yet to come.) I hope that these special purpose organizations do not continue to carry on these activities. It seems fruitless.
I am wondering are any Russian war criminals being investigated here in North America at this time? I cannot believe that there are none known?
Or maybe it doesn't serve any purpose to find, investigate and expose?
About an individual whom has lied about gaining entry into North America in the 40's and 50's I am wondering if actually any questions that would imply wrong doings during those times were actually asked of these individuals? I myself immigrated with my parents and I seem to remember and hearing from others these type of questions were never initially asked. They were primarily concerned on other issues.
Thankyou for your response.
Regards
Annelie
Upon reflection you are of course correct. It would be a travesty if such a list should be publically available but I do believe that if such a number of people are being investigated that they should be informed privately. I was not thinking correctly that time of the night.
As you have stated and others likewise (Special purpose organizations like that must, if they are to continue to survive, carry on a significant amount of activity, however ill directed. And in light of the substantial number of Central and Eastern European immigrants that arrived in the US during the 1940s and 1950s, it seems likely that there are still enough of them alive to sustain a significant number of investigations for some years yet to come.) I hope that these special purpose organizations do not continue to carry on these activities. It seems fruitless.
I am wondering are any Russian war criminals being investigated here in North America at this time? I cannot believe that there are none known?
Or maybe it doesn't serve any purpose to find, investigate and expose?
About an individual whom has lied about gaining entry into North America in the 40's and 50's I am wondering if actually any questions that would imply wrong doings during those times were actually asked of these individuals? I myself immigrated with my parents and I seem to remember and hearing from others these type of questions were never initially asked. They were primarily concerned on other issues.
Thankyou for your response.
Regards
Annelie